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1 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 6, 2011 5:11:14pm

Thanks for the retweets folks!

2 calochortus  Fri, May 6, 2011 6:38:23pm

But, but it's natural, it can't be bad...
//

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 6, 2011 7:22:54pm

Itty Bitty Baby coffins--what every hip mama is shopping for.

4 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 7, 2011 6:09:55am

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks for the retweets folks!

Thanks for posting this. The wages of left-wing* DERPitude are very tragic in this case.

*: Yes, I know that DERPing cuts more to the right these days. But anti-vaxing is surely DERPing and it is principally a problem of the far-left.

5 Lidane  Sat, May 7, 2011 6:20:40am

My sole response to the anti-vax crowd, aside from a raised middle finger, is this:

6 RogueOne  Sat, May 7, 2011 7:26:16am

Those are great pieces but you seem to be putting the blame on U.S. "antivaxxers" while both outbreaks in the measles story are blamed on foreigners. The AZ outbreak was due to a Swiss woman traveling through Mexico and the Minnesota measles story says out of the 23 reported cases 21 came from an infection in Kenya.

7 Lidane  Sat, May 7, 2011 7:31:33am

re: #6 RogueOne

Those are great pieces but you seem to be putting the blame on U.S. "antivaxxers" while both outbreaks in the measles story are blamed on foreigners. The AZ outbreak was due to a Swiss woman traveling through Mexico and the Minnesota measles story says out of the 23 reported cases 21 came from an infection in Kenya.

The blame DOES lie with U.S. anti-vaxers because if they'd immunized their kids, and if they didn't buy into the bullshit surrounding the issue, the chances of there being an outbreak at all would have been minor at best.

Not vaccinating yourself and/or your kids = lowering herd immunity = there being outbreaks of measles at all. We haven't had an outbreak in ten years before the most recent ones because parents got their kids their vaccines. We'd pretty much eradicated many diseases from the map in this country until the anti-vax idiocy took off.

8 RogueOne  Sat, May 7, 2011 9:22:04am

re: #7 Lidane

I agree but the driving factors of both outbreaks were immigrants. In the Minnesota case only 9 of those affected weren't immunized, want to put a guess on how many of those were immigrants? (In the US 95% of us are immunized against the measles.) I'm on record here, more than once, of being in favor of completely opening up our immigration laws but you can't ignore one of the problems with having millions of undocumented non-vaccinated immigrants around is the increased chances of outbreak. We're not the only ones having this problem, there's currently a large measles outbreak in europe.

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

9 Sionainn  Sat, May 7, 2011 9:28:41am

re: #6 RogueOne

Those are great pieces but you seem to be putting the blame on U.S. "antivaxxers" while both outbreaks in the measles story are blamed on foreigners. The AZ outbreak was due to a Swiss woman traveling through Mexico and the Minnesota measles story says out of the 23 reported cases 21 came from an infection in Kenya.

The outbreaks wouldn't be occurring in the U.S. if U.S. citizens were vaccinating.

10 calochortus  Sat, May 7, 2011 9:30:35am

re: #8 RogueOne

You appear to be conflating immigrants with illegal immigrants, so I'm not sure what your point is there. In any event it doesn't really matter why or how people came here, or whether they are 52nd generation Americans-what matters is whether they have been convinced that vaccinations are dangerous.
Apparently the Somali community in Minnesota, for example, doesn't vaccinate at a high rate because they believe the vaccines to be more dangerous than the disease. Where would they have gotten the idea that vaccines cause autism? Hmmm, let me think.

11 calochortus  Sat, May 7, 2011 9:33:33am

re: #6 RogueOne

It also looks like immigrants share the responsibility for importing measles with tourists. Shall we just close the doors?

12 Sionainn  Sat, May 7, 2011 9:34:02am

Also, people who were vaccinated as children may have lost some immunity. I know that was a concern my doctor had when I got pregnant at age 38. They ran a blood test on me to see what my titer was to determine if I still had immunity to measles or not. I did, but apparently it's pretty common if someone hasn't received a booster shot as an adult.

13 RogueOne  Sat, May 7, 2011 9:37:19am

re: #10 calochortus

You're right, I should have differentiated (Legal immigrants have to have their vaccinations), but it doesn't quite change my case, the AZ outbreak was started by someone on a tourist visa. If you want to blame people like Jenny McCarthy for exacerbating the problem I'll agree but that isn't close to the bigger issue when talking about these outbreaks. Look at CA and the whooping cough issue they had last year.

14 RogueOne  Sat, May 7, 2011 9:39:28am

re: #11 calochortus

It also looks like immigrants share the responsibility for importing measles with tourists. Shall we just close the doors?

You'll have a hard time finding anything I've ever said that's even remotely close to that. Unless you live in Madagascar that isn't an option. I believe one of the rules they tried to pass under the bush "amnesty" initiative (and the current plan) was that in order to stay they had to get their shots. That alone would put a big dent in these situations.

15 RogueOne  Sat, May 7, 2011 9:45:05am

re: #12 Sionainn

Also, people who were vaccinated as children may have lost some immunity. I know that was a concern my doctor had when I got pregnant at age 38. They ran a blood test on me to see what my titer was to determine if I still had immunity to measles or not. I did, but apparently it's pretty common if someone hasn't received a booster shot as an adult.

I got mine twice. Can't be too careful///

16 calochortus  Sat, May 7, 2011 9:52:41am

re: #14 RogueOne

I probably worded that poorly-I didn't mean to imply that you advocated "closing the door." It just seems that would be the only way to prevent the introduction of disease.

As to the CA whooping cough epidemic appears to follow 2 demographic groups-immigrants, legal and otherwise in the San Joaquin Valley and the rather more affluent and educated, particularly in the Marin County area. I tried to link a map, but don't seem to be able to.

17 calochortus  Sat, May 7, 2011 10:02:52am

re: #16 calochortus

I'm really incoherent this morning-

As to the CA whooping cough epidemic, it appears to follow 2 demographic groups-immigrants, legal and otherwise in the San Joaquin Valley, and the rather more affluent and educated population, particularly in the Marin County area. I tried to link a map, but don't seem to be able to. (Also the rest of the Bay Area)


Anyway, I need to head out.


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