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1 CuriousLurker  Mon, May 9, 2011 10:17:31am

Hmm, the other person besides me who tweeted this page right after I posted it is a serious bigot & hater judging by the comments on Twitter—another "Christian Conservative Patriot" who does nothing but spew bile.

I guess there are still a lot of creepy crawlies lurking in the shadows & hiding under rocks around here. I can see why they rarely slither into the daylight.

Much as they claim to hate how LGF has changed, they still come here for news, don't they? Imagine that. //

2 Bob Levin  Mon, May 9, 2011 10:38:01am

I think the headline is flashier than the article. The bottom line is that no one knows how all of this unrest will turn out, the Brotherhood is organized, people are concerned and watching.

3 CuriousLurker  Mon, May 9, 2011 10:53:46am

re: #2 Bob Levin

I think the headline is flashier than the article. The bottom line is that no one knows how all of this unrest will turn out, the Brotherhood is organized, people are concerned and watching.

Well, yeah, headlines usually are since their purpose is to get you to read. :) I still like to hear both sides of any given story though. I don't know whether to feel comforted or disturbed that we're not the only ones who're on pins & needles.

4 Bob Levin  Mon, May 9, 2011 11:20:48am

re: #3 CuriousLurker

I'm not sure I'm following your point. But let's see. The guy you referred to in the first comment, he's just trying to...I don't know the word for it.

There's this thing in American culture about choosing sides, being on a team. There is no Truth team, or Pragmatic team. Left or Right. So, he's posting something to get points for his team.

However, there are a lot of people who post here who are concerned about the Middle East. Did you mean that we seem calmer, or that we're both very antsy when it comes to the news from that region?

5 CuriousLurker  Mon, May 9, 2011 11:39:05am

re: #4 Bob Levin

I was only referring to the article in my reply to you, not my earlier comment about the guy tweeting the Page. That he's trying to get "points for his team" is precisely what annoyed me (apart from his venomous tweets). In the terrorist attacks that have happened on our soil, the bombs made no distinction between Left & Right. Partisanship on such deadly matters is stupid & dangerous for everyone, IMO.

My comment about pins & needles was in reference to our government and those in the ME—i.e. I thought the ME governments might have a different take on things, but apparently they're just as unsure about it as we are.

6 What, me worry?  Mon, May 9, 2011 2:18:20pm

re: #1 CuriousLurker

Hmm, the other person besides me who tweeted this page right after I posted it is a serious bigot & hater judging by the comments on Twitter—another "Christian Conservative Patriot" who does nothing but spew bile.

I guess there are still a lot of creepy crawlies lurking in the shadows & hiding under rocks around here. I can see why they rarely slither into the daylight.

Much as they claim to hate how LGF has changed, they still come here for news, don't they? Imagine that. //

As to the article, I'm confused. He seems to be saying that the UAE academics, those who have been writing recent articles about the protests in Egypt and those who supported the killing of OBL, are speaking out against the Muslim Brotherhood, yet many of them are actually members?

Another interesting point. the MB has gained hold in areas where there is a lot of poverty (Egypt, Gaza, Jordan) but not so much in the wealthy states of the UAE.

I wonder though since the UAE is primarily ex-pats (some 80%?) I wonder how that influences things. Or is that just Dubai.

As to the weirdo Twitter stalkers, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ABOUT. I've had 3 of them try to follow me, one twice. I thought if you block someone, they stay blocked? Whatever. I don't have time for their ugly BS.

7 Bob Levin  Mon, May 9, 2011 2:29:43pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Right, it's extremely unpredictable and potentially dangerous. And we don't have access to the information (and misinformation) that those living in the region have.

Outside of the Egyptian army, I don't think any other groups are as organized as the Brotherhood. At the moment, in the other nations, there is no organized opposition, although a great many people are opposed to them.

The Brotherhood has no qualms about using violence to silence opposition, whereas the opposition would have great qualms about violence (since that's the reason they oppose the Brotherhood). Add in the increasingly problematic issue of food and water, and you have a molten situation with no clear way to cool down. The attempts to blame Israel in order to bring unity will not bring water or food.

There is also the issue of the skill set needed to actually run a country. The Brotherhood really doesn't have that skill set. They know how to run meetings, they know how to silence people who disagree with them. If that's all you know how to do, then every country will end up like the Gaza Strip.

Actually, there is a way for it to cool down. The faster leaders, newspapers, the population, clarify the real issue--food, water, industry, then the Brotherhood will not be able to control meetings. If people begin asking the questions, where is the water, where is the food, the Brotherhood has to answer those questions.

8 Bob Levin  Mon, May 9, 2011 2:31:48pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon

You've just convinced me not to do Twitter. I haven't started, and I won't be starting.

9 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 10, 2011 12:39:22am

re: #6 marjoriemoon

As to the article, I'm confused. He seems to be saying that the UAE academics, those who have been writing recent articles about the protests in Egypt and those who supported the killing of OBL, are speaking out against the Muslim Brotherhood, yet many of them are actually members?

Yeah, I was kind of confused too about who is/isn't supposed to be a known MB member.

Another interesting point. the MB has gained hold in areas where there is a lot of poverty (Egypt, Gaza, Jordan) but not so much in the wealthy states of the UAE.

I wonder though since the UAE is primarily ex-pats (some 80%?) I wonder how that influences things. Or is that just Dubai.

Good question.

As to the weirdo Twitter stalkers, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ABOUT. I've had 3 of them try to follow me, one twice. I thought if you block someone, they stay blocked? Whatever. I don't have time for their ugly BS.

LOL, they're persistent, I'll give them that. I'm not sure why they keep trying since only a few people are actually interested in their rantings. Go figure. *shrug*

Anyway, they should stay blocked after the first time you block them, but sometimes they'll open another account under a different nic. If you're using Tweetdeck, keep in mind that the global filter doesn't actually block anyone, it just filters out all their tweets—i.e. if you leave Tweedeck and and use the Twitter web interface, you'll see they're still following you (and you can see their tweets).

Once someone is actually blocked they can't follow you, but they can still read your tweets if they go to your Twitter page. They can also mention you in their tweets, but you won't see them unless you go to their Twitter page or do a search of your nic (not recommended as it can get ugly). Was that about as clear as mud? :)

I keep a running list of everyone I block and a word or two about why I blocked them (stalker, possible stalker, wingnut, spammer, etc.) Every once in a while I also proactively block people, meaning I check the followers/following lists of people I've already blocked, and then add anyone who seems especially loathsome. Searching for @Lizardoid or #LGF also usually provides an abundance of spewers' nics to add to the list.

Maybe I'll do a page on Twitter someday soon with screenshots & everything.

10 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 10, 2011 12:40:32am

re: #7 Bob Levin

There is also the issue of the skill set needed to actually run a country. The Brotherhood really doesn't have that skill set. They know how to run meetings, they know how to silence people who disagree with them. If that's all you know how to do, then every country will end up like the Gaza Strip.

Actually, there is a way for it to cool down. The faster leaders, newspapers, the population, clarify the real issue--food, water, industry, then the Brotherhood will not be able to control meetings. If people begin asking the questions, where is the water, where is the food, the Brotherhood has to answer those questions.

Good point.

11 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 10, 2011 1:18:57am

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I was kind of confused too about who is/isn't supposed to be a known MB member.

Good question.

LOL, they're persistent, I'll give them that. I'm not sure why they keep trying since only a few people are actually interested in their rantings. Go figure. *shrug*

Anyway, they should stay blocked after the first time you block them, but sometimes they'll open another account under a different nic. If you're using Tweetdeck, keep in mind that the global filter doesn't actually block anyone, it just filters out all their tweets—i.e. if you leave Tweedeck and and use the Twitter web interface, you'll see they're still following you (and you can see their tweets).

Once someone is actually blocked they can't follow you, but they can still read your tweets if they go to your Twitter page. They can also mention you in their tweets, but you won't see them unless you go to their Twitter page or do a search of your nic (not recommended as it can get ugly). Was that about as clear as mud? :)

I keep a running list of everyone I block and a word or two about why I blocked them (stalker, possible stalker, wingnut, spammer, etc.) Every once in a while I also proactively block people, meaning I check the followers/following lists of people I've already blocked, and then add anyone who seems especially loathsome. Searching for @Lizardoid or #LGF also usually provides an abundance of spewers' nics to add to the list.

Maybe I'll do a page on Twitter someday soon with screenshots & everything.

YES!N You would be doing a GREAT SERVICE to the Lizard Nation, to share your information. PLEASE DO THIS.
I'm a total tech-tard, and you would be helping me, and I am sure, many others!

12 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 10, 2011 9:37:40am

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

YES!N You would be doing a GREAT SERVICE to the Lizard Nation, to share your information. PLEASE DO THIS.
I'm a total tech-tard, and you would be helping me, and I am sure, many others!

Well, how can I resist an entreaty like that? I'll try to put something together this coming weekend. ;o)

13 What, me worry?  Tue, May 10, 2011 11:49:50am

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Good question.

Thinking about the poverty question in relation to what Bob was saying, if you have the means to meet all your needs, the basics (food/water, shelter, clothing) and then some extras, than you don't need anyone's help. Or, if you need help from others, at least you can be a bit more critical if your situation isn't desperate. Not the case when you are suffering. That gives room for lots of groups to move in. Hamas considers themselves a "humanitarian group" because they provide those basic needs so the people don't care what else they do, even when they're threatening and violent or put the population at risk. So when you have a little bit of $, you have the room to question and criticize. You don't have to be particularly wealthy for that either.

14 What, me worry?  Tue, May 10, 2011 11:55:15am

re: #8 Bob Levin

You've just convinced me not to do Twitter. I haven't started, and I won't be starting.

I AM IN LOVE WITH THE TWITTER LOL For realz. I don't let those pigs ruin my fun. Besides there's a bunch of fun lizards on and I'm getting a real kick out of following celebs. Mostly comedians, Steve Martin, Jason Alexander, Al Brooks and my favorite, Seth MacFarlane. It's really a blast.

You can search for "Marjoriemoon" if you decide to join. I'll try to help you because it's confusing. Least it was to me. CL helped me, too.

15 What, me worry?  Tue, May 10, 2011 12:07:07pm

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Anyway, they should stay blocked after the first time you block them, but sometimes they'll open another account under a different nic. If you're using Tweetdeck, keep in mind that the global filter doesn't actually block anyone, it just filters out all their tweets—i.e. if you leave Tweedeck and and use the Twitter web interface, you'll see they're still following you (and you can see their tweets).

Once someone is actually blocked they can't follow you, but they can still read your tweets if they go to your Twitter page. They can also mention you in their tweets, but you won't see them unless you go to their Twitter page or do a search of your nic (not recommended as it can get ugly). Was that about as clear as mud? :)

I keep a running list of everyone I block and a word or two about why I blocked them (stalker, possible stalker, wingnut, spammer, etc.) Every once in a while I also proactively block people, meaning I check the followers/following lists of people I've already blocked, and then add anyone who seems especially loathsome. Searching for @Lizardoid or #LGF also usually provides an abundance of spewers' nics to add to the list.

Maybe I'll do a page on Twitter someday soon with screenshots & everything.

Mmm.... not real clear, but I'm getting it! Like I said on one of the boards last week, you just have to jump in and do it and it starts to get clearer.

I haven't upgraded to Tweetdeck. I've been thinking about it because I know it will simplify things. I'm going to print out what you just said above and keep it handy. I would love a Twitter tutorial from you. If you need examples, I'll gladly be your guinea pig.

The only other thing that drives me crazy is not knowing who some people are. Some are obvious, others not so much. At least in Facebook, you can control those issues and privacy of what you say. Not so much on Twitter which I guess is good and bad.

One thing though, if I see someone is following the stalker site or any of the stalkers, I will block them. Like you say, CL, anyone can see the tweets if they want to without actually being a follower. I don't know the purpose of wanting to follow them otherwise.

Also, I found if you click the HOME button, there's a tab there called @Mention which will show your name anywhere mentioned, I'm assuming whether you follow the person or not.

16 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 11, 2011 1:41:09pm

re: #13 marjoriemoon

Thinking about the poverty question in relation to what Bob was saying, if you have the means to meet all your needs, the basics (food/water, shelter, clothing) and then some extras, than you don't need anyone's help. Or, if you need help from others, at least you can be a bit more critical if your situation isn't desperate. Not the case when you are suffering. That gives room for lots of groups to move in. Hamas considers themselves a "humanitarian group" because they provide those basic needs so the people don't care what else they do, even when they're threatening and violent or put the population at risk. So when you have a little bit of $, you have the room to question and criticize. You don't have to be particularly wealthy for that either.

Very, very true. Thanks for pointing that out.

17 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 11, 2011 1:53:03pm

re: #15 marjoriemoon

I haven't upgraded to Tweetdeck. I've been thinking about it because I know it will simplify things. I'm going to print out what you just said above and keep it handy. I would love a Twitter tutorial from you. If you need examples, I'll gladly be your guinea pig.

I'll do the tutorial this weekend and then change it as needed once I get feedback. Tweetdeck really is a huge help. I use it on all of my computers, but I use an app called Osfoora on my iPad. I use it instead of Tweetdeck because it was created specifically for the iPad & iPhone (and is only available for those platforms), so it feels more intuitive and easy to use (to me).

The only other thing that drives me crazy is not knowing who some people are. Some are obvious, others not so much. At least in Facebook, you can control those issues and privacy of what you say. Not so much on Twitter which I guess is good and bad.

If I think someone's an LGF member, I come here and ask just to be sure. Known stalkers and/or bile spewing wingnuts get blocked immediately. Ditto for spammy looking stuff. FWIW, I'm leery of newly created accounts that start following me.

Also, I found if you click the HOME button, there's a tab there called @Mention which will show your name anywhere mentioned, I'm assuming whether you follow the person or not.

Correct.


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