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1 shutdown  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 11:25:09am
If it is #4 however then Weiner's statements will be vindicated and he was just the victim of a breach of privacy who had is junk taken a picture of at some point with or without his permission it doesn't really matter.

I think you mean "#3" here....

2 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 11:29:02am

re: #1 imp_62

I think you mean "#3" here...

The wonderful thing about pages is that unlike posts you can edit them!

3 garhighway  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 12:52:02pm

None of that applies in Buckland, where logic and the laws of physics are different.

4 researchok  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 1:02:02pm

Nicely laid out.

5 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 1:08:55pm

re: #4 researchok

Nicely laid out.

Thanks. I found writing this very mentally pleasing since it gave me a chance to lay out all my thoughts and show what I considered to be a near perfect logical argument for why it's foolish to pick a bone with Weiner's statements over how he couldn't be 100% certain if the junk in the tweet was his or not.

6 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 2:59:24pm

Yeah, I love how you distilled the situation to the most core and basic logical elements.

BTW, for some reason I'm really thinking the most likely possibility is that it is #3.

So there are two quetions, how did they get the picture and how did they post it.

I believe we've pretty much answered the former, but its the latter that is the difficult and possibly more interesting question.

7 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 3:20:00pm

I'm not going to speculate as to which is true since I don't have the facts/knowledge to do so.

I can say that the best path for Rep. Weiner is the same that President Obama took with his birth certificate. Keep the wingnuts having tizzy fits and looking demented over nonsense that you can blow out of the water one day while keeping your base cemented to you...

Weiner can milk the free publicity, gets a free victim card, and I can't think of anything the wingnuts could have done better to ensure he wins his next election.

8 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 4:04:05pm

I got former and latter mixed up, but you know what i mean

9 Buck  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 6:23:51pm

re: #3 garhighway

None of that applies in Buckland, where logic and the laws of physics are different.

Really? And where do you have that from? Or is it just snark for snark sake?

10 Buck  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 6:31:35pm

#0 James

I find what your wrote confusing, so please let me ask a question or two.

First, do you think that Weiner handled the event in the best way possible? In other words did he really perform the damage control well? In you opinion...

Cause I think he could have ended the national conversation much faster if he had called in the FBI immediately AND when asked a direct question, answered in a direct way.

11 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 7:09:24pm

re: #10 Buck

#0 James

I find what your wrote confusing, so please let me ask a question or two.

First, do you think that Weiner handled the event in the best way possible? In other words did he really perform the damage control well? In you opinion...

Cause I think he could have ended the national conversation much faster if he had called in the FBI immediately AND when asked a direct question, answered in a direct way.

What question do you feel he asked in a direct way that he refused to answer?

12 Buck  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 7:24:53pm

re: #11 jamesfirecat

What question do you feel he asked in a direct way that he refused to answer?

[Link: www.google.com...]

[Link: videos.mediaite.com...]

You know, when reporters are asking you a question, and you talk about a speech for 4,500 people and that he gets heckled....

As if the reporters are heckling him?

Direct question deserves a direct answer.

13 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 7:31:02pm

re: #12 Buck

[Link: www.google.com...]

[Link: videos.mediaite.com...]

You know, when reporters are asking you a question, and you talk about a speech for 4,500 people and that he gets heckled...

As if the reporters are heckling him?

Direct question deserves a direct answer.

After reading this I agree with you Buck he should be talking to the reporters rather than loosing his temper.

I only wrote this particular page to explain the political savyness of Weiner's statements concerning how he could not say that with certainty that it was his penis beyond that.

This page is not meant to address anything beyond that.

If you feel "I can not say with certainty is not my penis" is not a straight forward answer however then I disagree with you as I feel it as straight as an answer as a politician who is covering all their bases (for the reasons discussed in this page) can be expected.

14 Buck  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 9:53:42pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat


I feel it as straight as an answer as a politician who is covering all their bases

What about just being honest? Covering bases? In relation to telling the truth what does covering his bases mean?

And what about how his prolonging this scandal effects the woman on the receiving end of the tweet? Do you have any consideration on how this effects her?

I seriously think you are missing the real point. Ignoring the media will not make this go away. Damage control demands straight talk, not being evasive for covering bases. Your math is calculating but less that being upfront and honest.

Remember he knows the truth, he knows if it is A or B.

15 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:09:49am

re: #14 Buck

What about just being honest? Covering bases? In relation to telling the truth what does covering his bases mean?

And what about how his prolonging this scandal effects the woman on the receiving end of the tweet? Do you have any consideration on how this effects her?

I seriously think you are missing the real point. Ignoring the media will not make this go away. Damage control demands straight talk, not being evasive for covering bases. Your math is calculating but less that being upfront and honest.

Remember he knows the truth, he knows if it is A or B.

Buck I'm not going to go over this again with you.

You assume that Weinier knows the truth when there is a possibility that he doesn't. If you don't want to believe that its possible for a man to have picture of his junk taken without him realizing it then that's fine, you can believe that, but I believe it is possible and the two of us arguing this back and forth for days on end is rather pointless. I believe that by covering all the bases he was telling the truth to the best of his ability you believe that he was being craven. We're clearly not going to bring each other around on this one so lets just table the issue.

Now then, as for the woman. My heart goes out to her. However I just fail to see why in a sane world the longer this goes on the more she suffers. That said I have heard about the amounts of harassment that she's been getting, but I've also heard it's been chiefly from Republicans. Could you please explain what kind of suffering she is under going in your eyes so that I may address it better?

"I seriously think you are missing the real point. Ignoring the media will not make this go away. Damage control demands straight talk, not being evasive for covering bases. Your math is calculating but less that being upfront and honest.

Remember he knows the truth, he knows if it is A or B."

Once again I agree with you, he should talk with the with the media not ignore them. He should answer their questions to the best of his abilities.

I believe that on the issue of whose penis it is he has done that, though I agree with you on other issues he has failed. There exists a world that would explain if he knows A or B.

However I will give you THIS Buck a better answer might have been....

"To the best of my knowledge there has never been any pictures taken of my junk in that particular state. However, I simply can't be 100% sure that such a picture might have been taken without me being aware at some point."

Ignoring the fact that you believe it is impossible for such a picture to be taken does the fact that he would at least be explaining why he feels he can't say with certainty if it is his junk or not seem like a step forward Buck?


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