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1 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 5:33:35pm

Before I knew about Derbyshire’s affiliation with the racialist movement I used to read his tech articles and think he was a pretty smart guy.

Now I know that even pretty smart guys can still be rotten racist bastards.

2 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 5:47:48pm

Thanks for posting that clip. Been years. Damn.

3 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 6:02:24pm

I live for damned jungle music. Not so much a fan of dick picks, but I do like the music.

4 Charleston Chew  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 6:59:50pm

As someone who’s a generation younger than Mr. Gelernter and a movie buff, I find it fascinating when conservatives share a glimpse of their anachronistic racist fantasy worlds. It’s always like a cross between Death Wish (1974) and the baddies from Live And Let Die (1973). Even young James O’Keefe’s idea of a “pimp costume” was so out of date it was older than the man himself. (Of course, maybe he’s just smart enough to “know his audience” - the over-50 Fox News viewers.)

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5 Charleston Chew  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:05:32pm

re: #3 theheat

I live for damned jungle music. Not so much a fan of dick picks, but I do like the music.

It’s ironic that the music that conservatives have been railing against for over a hundred years (all the way back to ragtime) as a danger to American culture is always seen by subsequent generations as the most truly American music there is.

6 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:05:37pm

But but it’s the left who are the real racists.

7 EiMitch  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:09:20pm

But the far-right is correct! We haveto oppose those brown people as they come here to take our jobs, and as they have our jobs shipped overseas to them, and as they suck away our welfare dollars, and as they infiltrate our judeo-christian culture with their jungle tripe, and… and…

…and I’m not a racist!

Just in case: /mega-sarc

Seriously, how is it that racism is on the rise in pretty much all developed nations, hate-speech laws or not? What the fug are we missing?

8 Michael Orion Powell  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:17:50pm

re: #7 EiMitch

But the far-right is correct! We haveto oppose those brown people as they come here to take our jobs, and as they have our jobs shipped overseas to them, and as they suck away our welfare dollars, and as they infiltrate our judeo-christian culture with their jungle tripe, and… and…

…and I’m not a racist!

Just in case: /mega-sarc

Seriously, how is it that racism is on the rise in pretty much all developed nations, hate-speech laws or not? What the fug are we missing?

Well, I think there is some truth in what they are saying to a small extent. In all sorts of ways, western society has lost its confidence and sense of itself. The groups that are coming in and succeeding in the West - from Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, etc. - do have a sense of themselves and of their culture and heritage.

Now, that loss of societal confidence is our fault. It’s not the fault of people that are succeeding. We’ve lost the picture on what it is that we want with ourselves. The right racists seem to be reacting towards this loss of confidence by grabbing for cheap chauvinism and bigotry as the answer, when the answer is in ourselves.

9 I Earned My Sodomy Merit Badge!  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:13:41pm

re: #8 OrionXP
But Americans, especially, have always been in a state of change. No culture or nation is stagnant or exists in a bubble. The foods you eat from chocolate and vanilla to cornbread and hush puppies to baked Beans and potatos and tomatos are all created by the north American Natives and the South American Natives. How many people do you know who call those foods Western foods? Who is a Westerner? What is American culture? Did it come from Europe? It was a mix of cultures. It influenced our American music, our food, our politics, even gum chewing -which is seen as quintessential Americana did not come from Europe but the Native Americans. Same with the very American sign language as well as so much more. Even the Banjo, so associated with the southeastern music was an African instrument.
The foods you eat the music you listen to the politics you practice the medicine you use it all makes our culture uniquely American.

10 122 Year Old Obama  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:59:13pm

What. The. Fuck.

11 Michael Orion Powell  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:44:07am

re: #9 Cankles McCellulite

But Americans, especially, have always been in a state of change. No culture or nation is stagnant or exists in a bubble. The foods you eat from chocolate and vanilla to cornbread and hush puppies to baked Beans and potatos and tomatos are all created by the north American Natives and the South American Natives. How many people do you know who call those foods Western foods? Who is a Westerner? What is American culture? Did it come from Europe? It was a mix of cultures. It influenced our American music, our food, our politics, even gum chewing -which is seen as quintessential Americana did not come from Europe but the Native Americans. Same with the very American sign language as well as so much more. Even the Banjo, so associated with the southeastern music was an African instrument.
The foods you eat the music you listen to the politics you practice the medicine you use it all makes our culture uniquely American.

I’m not in disagreement, and what you’re saying is actually very prescient in this discussion. The mentality of alot of right wing racialists is actually very reminiscent of Native tribes like the Blackfoot, who went balls out against change in the hopes that doing something was better than nothing. If you read the articles at Alternative Right, they have this heir of “we might as well try” to them. Instead of Kipling esque screeds justifying colonialism, it’s woe-are-we articles called “We WIll Lose” or “Make Lemonade.”

12 thecommodore  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:34:18am

re: #7 EiMitch

…and I’m not a racist!

And you prove that by having your picture taken with Herman Cain. ;)

13 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:04:56am

re: #1 Charles

Before I knew about Derbyshire’s affiliation with the racialist movement I used to read his tech articles and think he was a pretty smart guy.

Now I know that even pretty smart guys can still be rotten racist bastards.

My favorite example of that time-tested truth : Philipp Lenard

14 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:03:15am
The biggest offense in this case is the dirtying of the public airwaves and news-waves with ugly, trivial junk; it’s an offense like the one that used to be popular a generation ago with “urban youths,” who would carry around giant boom boxes and play music (or whatever it was) at deafening volumes.

That is a pretty weird transition.

15 Charleston Chew  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:30:48am

re: #13 000G

My favorite example of that time-tested truth : Philipp Lenard

The mistake is thinking of people as being either “smart” or “stupid”. Everyone has an intellectual budget©. You can invest heavily in one area of expertise and not at all in another. Like owning an expensive car while living in a cheap apartment.

See also: Bobby Fischer.

(When it comes to taking advice from others, the trick is to only listen to peoples’ opinions on the subjects they’ve invested in, and ignore their opinions on anything else.)

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:56:56am

Interesting detail—when jazz was mainstreaming, there was a period when it was popular for composers to write classical-style music based on jazz pieces—cleaning it up and putting proper grammar on it, so white people could listen to it.

Also, surely Sarah Palin will come to the defense of the boom boxes of the eighties? She claims to know the words to “Rapper’s Delight”.

17 Michael Orion Powell  Sat, Jun 11, 2011 1:56:38am

re: #14 Bulworth

That is a pretty weird transition.

Well, the guy wanted to go on a tangent about n!ggers and had to put it somewhere.


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