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1 freetoken  Thu, Jun 16, 2011 4:51:36am

Morrissey prattles on about many subjects of which he knows nothing. And he doesn't care to know anything about them.

2 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 16, 2011 9:15:16am

Okay setting aside the debate for a minute with all its baggage...
Might this buy us some time to reduce carbon emissions ?

3 Interesting Times  Thu, Jun 16, 2011 10:30:42am

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

Okay setting aside the debate for a minute with all its baggage...
Might this buy us some time to reduce carbon emissions ?

No:

Last year researchers modelled what would happen to global temperatures if a grand minimum started now and continued until 2100. They found that it would lower temperatures by 0.3 °C at most. That's not enough to compensate for our greenhouse gas emissions, which are set to raise temperatures by 2-4.5 °C by 2100. So in the most optimistic scenario, in which the grand minimum has the biggest effect possible and emissions their smallest, a rise of 2 °C would be reduced to 1.7 °C.

4 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 16, 2011 10:40:52am

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

A minuscule sliver, and that will probably be counteracted by asshole deniers who point to it and say we need do nothing.

5 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 16, 2011 1:52:01pm

re: #4 Obdicut

Well crap I thought we might catch a break. A little luck can make the difference.

6 freetoken  Thu, Jun 16, 2011 3:13:06pm

re: #5 Rightwingconspirator

The difference in solar output from the maximum to the minimum of the solar cycle is much smaller than the net change in down (towards the direction of the ground) thermal energy (watts/area) (from say doubling CO2) from the atmosphere. So even if the Sun stayed at a minimum for a century it would only be a small decrease.

If one looks at the temperature record one finds already that solar cycles are hidden in the noise. It's not that energy flow from the Sun is not important, but the earth system is too complex and chaotic for small changes to be noticeable over short periods of time.

7 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jun 17, 2011 12:38:03am

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

Okay setting aside the debate for a minute with all its baggage...
Might this buy us some time to reduce carbon emissions ?

No. Our situation can be likened to that of an ocean liner heading onto the rocks. Now we encounter a gust of wind in our face.

It's not enough. It's not remotely enough. And there will be tailwind gusts too.


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