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1 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 7:38:18am

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2 Lobengula  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 7:48:15am

They ordered that children playing outside carry out the sentence. Nice to see haredi youth being taught the value of life at such an impressionable age.

3 fizzlogic  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 8:13:41am

What a bunch of mentally diseased whack jobs.

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 8:16:31am

Maariv ran a correction.

Remember the story of the dog that appeared at the gates of the beis din in mea Shearim? They could not chase it away, and supposedly had decided it was a gilgul of someone who had shamed the dayanim many years earlier. they supposedly had kids stone it and chase it away.

The story raised a ruckus at the time, and the organization against cruelty to animals even filed a complaint against the beis din, all the while the head of the beis din denied the allegations.

Today, the Maariv newspaper ran a "clarification" and apology about that story, saying the rav had said there is no basis for abusing the dog, not halachically and not logically. The rav had also said that city hall had sent their dog catcher to collect the dog from the premises of the beis din. The newspaper apologizes for the misleading headlines from when it was reported.

5 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 8:23:40am

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Good.

6 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 8:29:33am

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Maariv ran a correction.

Remember the story of the dog that appeared at the gates of the beis din in mea Shearim? They could not chase it away, and supposedly had decided it was a gilgul of someone who had shamed the dayanim many years earlier. they supposedly had kids stone it and chase it away.

The story raised a ruckus at the time, and the organization against cruelty to animals even filed a complaint against the beis din, all the while the head of the beis din denied the allegations.

Today, the Maariv newspaper ran a "clarification" and apology about that story, saying the rav had said there is no basis for abusing the dog, not halachically and not logically. The rav had also said that city hall had sent their dog catcher to collect the dog from the premises of the beis din. The newspaper apologizes for the misleading headlines from when it was reported.

Holy misleading headline, Batman!
Glad to see it wasn't as I had thought.
:)

7 What, me worry?  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 9:30:33am

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Maariv ran a correction.

Remember the story of the dog that appeared at the gates of the beis din in mea Shearim? They could not chase it away, and supposedly had decided it was a gilgul of someone who had shamed the dayanim many years earlier. they supposedly had kids stone it and chase it away.

The story raised a ruckus at the time, and the organization against cruelty to animals even filed a complaint against the beis din, all the while the head of the beis din denied the allegations.

Today, the Maariv newspaper ran a "clarification" and apology about that story, saying the rav had said there is no basis for abusing the dog, not halachically and not logically. The rav had also said that city hall had sent their dog catcher to collect the dog from the premises of the beis din. The newspaper apologizes for the misleading headlines from when it was reported.

The dog is out of the bag at this point (heh), and unfortunately the correction will never get the press that the initial story will.

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 10:25:34am

re: #7 marjoriemoon

The dog is out of the bag at this point (heh), and unfortunately the correction will never get the press that the initial story will.

Well, "Rabbinic Court Orders Reincarnated Dog Stoned To Death" is one hell of a story.

"Rabbinic Court Calls Dog-Catcher To Pick Up Stray" is not much of a story at all.

9 Laughing Gas  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 11:19:31am

Did the soul of 2006 Michael Vick suddenly transmigrate into the rabbi's body? All joking aside, this is an unfortunate reality in present-day Israel; the religious right is growing in power, partly because their followers have more kids, and are increasingly dominant in the Israeli army.

10 Gus  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 11:30:31am

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Maariv ran a correction.

Remember the story of the dog that appeared at the gates of the beis din in mea Shearim? They could not chase it away, and supposedly had decided it was a gilgul of someone who had shamed the dayanim many years earlier. they supposedly had kids stone it and chase it away.

The story raised a ruckus at the time, and the organization against cruelty to animals even filed a complaint against the beis din, all the while the head of the beis din denied the allegations.

Today, the Maariv newspaper ran a "clarification" and apology about that story, saying the rav had said there is no basis for abusing the dog, not halachically and not logically. The rav had also said that city hall had sent their dog catcher to collect the dog from the premises of the beis din. The newspaper apologizes for the misleading headlines from when it was reported.

Thanks. I was thinking if this was true or not but got lazy about look. Will update this story right now...

11 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 12:29:20pm

re: #9 Juice

But it didn't happen.

12 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 12:51:11pm

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Maariv ran a correction.

Remember the story of the dog that appeared at the gates of the beis din in mea Shearim? They could not chase it away, and supposedly had decided it was a gilgul of someone who had shamed the dayanim many years earlier. they supposedly had kids stone it and chase it away.

The story raised a ruckus at the time, and the organization against cruelty to animals even filed a complaint against the beis din, all the while the head of the beis din denied the allegations.

Today, the Maariv newspaper ran a "clarification" and apology about that story, saying the rav had said there is no basis for abusing the dog, not halachically and not logically. The rav had also said that city hall had sent their dog catcher to collect the dog from the premises of the beis din. The newspaper apologizes for the misleading headlines from when it was reported.

I am glad to hear that. YNet will never miss an opportunity to bash the Haredim.

13 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 5:42:06pm

Harry's Place has published the statement of the Jerusalem Beit Din that this story is totally a hoax. So far they have only a weird Google translation of the Hebrew statement. I am working on a more coherent translation.

14 Timmeh  Sun, Jun 19, 2011 11:45:55pm

Does the "clarification" unequivocally state that the original story was false?

the rav had said there is no basis for abusing the dog, not halachically and not logically

What is a "rav"? What is "halachically?"

OK, but saying that "there is no basis for abusing the dog" is not the same as saying that the previous story is false. And a "clarification" is not a retraction.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 20, 2011 12:02:31am

re: #9 Juice

Did the soul of 2006 Michael Vick suddenly transmigrate into the rabbi's body? All joking aside, this is an unfortunate reality in present-day Israel; the religious right is growing in power, partly because their followers have more kids, and are increasingly dominant in the Israeli army.

I thought the problem with the haredim was supposed to be that their kids didn't serve in the army. Can we please settle on the stereotype we're gonna go with?

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 20, 2011 12:05:45am

re: #10 Gus 802

Thanks. I was thinking if this was true or not but got lazy about look. Will update this story right now...

No prob, I just knew there'd been a clarification because all the Jewish blogs I read were tossing this around going WTF?, and when it got cleared up, they ran that too.

For the record, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there actually was some speculation about the dog being a gilgul, and/or I wouldn't be at all surprised if some kids threw stones to try to get it to leave. But the story sort of...developed...after that.

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 20, 2011 12:09:03am

re: #14 Timmeh

Does the "clarification" unequivocally state that the original story was false?

What is a "rav"? What is "halachically?"

OK, but saying that "there is no basis for abusing the dog" is not the same as saying that the previous story is false. And a "clarification" is not a retraction.

A rav is a rabbi. Halachically is 'according to Jewish law'.

Given that the story started out that they ordered the animal stoned to death for crimes against the court, and now appears to have turned into 'they called animal control', yes, the original story was false.

I realize this will be an enormous disappointment to some people.

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 20, 2011 12:17:33am

Of course, have we completely ruled out the idea that the dog actually was a gilgul of that SOB Dudu Adler, who has now managed to humiliate the court yet again, this time from beyond the grave?

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19 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 20, 2011 12:23:08am

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

No prob, I just knew there'd been a clarification because all the Jewish blogs I read were tossing this around going WTF?, and when it got cleared up, they ran that too.

For the record, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there actually was some speculation about the dog being a gilgul, and/or I wouldn't be at all surprised if some kids threw stones to try to get it to leave. But the story sort of...developed...after that.

Actually, since it sound as though the animal actually came into the room the beis din was meeting in, I doubt there was anything to throw. The statement the court made seems to suggest that the kids were just interested and excited--a lot of haredi kids probably haven't seen too many dogs close up.

20 Timmeh  Mon, Jun 20, 2011 12:42:00am

Google News search on dog stoning

Can't find any retractions yet. Is the basis for all these English press reports originally an article in the Maariv newspaper? The BBC report in the OP for example links to this article on YNET, which does not mention the Maariv newspaper.

21 Timmeh  Mon, Jun 20, 2011 12:45:01am

re: #20 Timmeh

Google News search on dog stoning

Can't find any retractions yet. Is the basis for all these English press reports originally an article in the Maariv newspaper? The BBC report in the OP for example links to this article on YNET, which does not mention the Maariv newspaper.


This is from that article:

The head of the court, Rabbi Avraham Dov Levin, denied that the judges had called for the dog's stoning. But one of the court's managers confirmed the report to Yedioth Ahronoth.

"It was ordered by the rabbis because of the grief he had caused the court," he said. "They didn't issue an official ruling, but ordered the children outside to throw stones at him in order to drive him away. They didn't think of it as cruelty to animals, but as an appropriate way to 'get back at' the spirit which entered the poor dog."
22 Timmeh  Mon, Jun 20, 2011 1:31:33am

One thing I just realized:

While the headline of the YNET story says that the dog was "sentenced to death by stoning," the anonymous "court manager" only said that the judges "ordered the children outside to throw stones at him in order to drive him away." Stoning to death and stoning to drive away are different things, and if children are throwing the stones, it seems unlikely that the dog would be killed. So, the headline and the first paragraph at least are an exaggeration even if the comment of the anonymous "court manager" is true.

23 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 20, 2011 10:45:14am

re: #20 Timmeh

Google News search on dog stoning

Can't find any retractions yet. Is the basis for all these English press reports originally an article in the Maariv newspaper? The BBC report in the OP for example links to this article on YNET, which does not mention the Maariv newspaper.

The rabbinical court has issued a statement categorically denying the entire story as a fabrication. A translation is here.

The fact that YNet has not yet issued a retraction proves nothing except that YNet are a bunch of lying assholes.


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