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1 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:02:26pm

Oh McCain…

Now he’s veering wildly from month to month? He should really consider retiring, he’d be much happier.

2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:28:28pm

Sad, he goes from being one of his party’s most forward thinkers on immigrants to just another xenophobic jerk.

3 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 1:45:06pm

McCain is a xenophobic jerk, or at the very least panders to xenophobic jerks. However, he is not the only one who believes that some fires in Arizona were started by illegal border crossers. I posted this Page a week ago, which links to this article. From it:


At a press conference last week, Coronado National Forest supervisor Jim Upchurch said causes of fires include ricocheting bullets, campfires, welding equipment and possibly ignition by smugglers or illegal immigrants. But when asked specifically about the Horseshoe 2 and Murphy Complex fires, Forest Service officials say only that they are human-caused and under investigation.


With fires presumed to be started by people, the focus is on finding a specific cause - not on determining where the people were from, said Mary Zabinski, fire information officer at the Southwest Coordination Center.


The Murphy Complex Fire is burning west of Nogales, stretching from south of the international border to about 18 miles northwest of Tubac. It is the combination of two blazes that met up: the Pajarita and Murphy fires.

The flames are raging right in the heart of a smuggling corridor commonly used by drug runners and rip crews.

Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was fatally shot in the same area during a shootout between agents and suspected border bandits on Dec. 14, 2010. The corridor has been a hot spot for confrontations between smugglers and criminals dating back to 2007.

Hikers, hunters and outdoor enthusiasts sometime go up there, but the area is primarily used by drug smugglers and illegal immigrants, said Lt. Raoul Rodriguez of the Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Office. That’s why he believes it’s fair to speculate they started this most recent fire.

Cumming doesn’t believe the fire was started intentionally, whether by illegal immigrants or U.S. citizens.

“It was definitely human-caused,” Cumming said, “but by human error.”

Smugglers don’t generally set fires purposely as diversions, said Border Patrol Tucson Sector spokesman Mario Escalante.

But they regularly make fires to cook, or to keep warm during the colder months, said Brandon Judd, president of Local 2544 of the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing agents in Arizona. In the areas where the Murphy Complex Fire and Horseshoe 2 Fire started, the only people agents encounter are illegal immigrants or drug smugglers, he said.

“We definitely believe that the majority of these fires are started by illegal aliens,” Judd said.


I don’t trust the word of the ranchers, border patrol, sheriffs, or even the governor of Arizona without checking the information from other sources. But I do have a friend who has fought fires with the Forest Service for many years, and he lives in Arizona near the border. I don’t even trust him 100% without checking other sources. He says some fires are caused by illegal border crossers, and that the Forest Service has been told not to come to that conclusion in any public report. So I take the measure of each of these sources, and I conclude that some fires are caused by illegal border crossers. It’s common knowledge down there which areas are used by smugglers, and fires have been traced back to popular smuggler look-out points and trails. Not places where recreational campers go.

McCain’s problem is that he will use a source that won’t back him up in public. And he misspoke in such a way that people thought he was talking about the Wallow Fire specifically.

4 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 1:56:16pm

Here’s a fire that crossed the border by itself. Legally? Who knows?

The El Camino Fire, smoldering 11 miles south of Arivaca, has burned 350 acres and is 40 percent contained, officials said.

The fire, with a cause still under investigation, started Sunday morning and is burning mainly grass in lowland drainage areas, said Buzz Ostermann, a spokesman for the U.S. Forest Service.

The blaze originated south of the border and burned about 500 acres in Mexico, which is not included in the U.S. acreage total, Ostermann said.


5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 2:00:52pm

The republican party is so worthless

6 nines09  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 4:19:01pm

Here’s what John was trying to say; “There is substantial evidence that some of these fires have been caused by people climate who have crossed our border illegally,” McCain said Saturday at a press conference. “The answer to that part of the problem is to get a secure border.”
Out of ideas, out of their minds and out of this world. Your GOP/TP. Proudly brought to you by (fill in blank for this weeks sugar daddy).

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