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1 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:03:28pm

If the Nazis come for Beck, will anyone protest?

2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:09:28pm

Oh, the irony.

Beck is planning a "Restoring Courage" rally in Israel August 20, which he says will be a "life altering event" that the "very gates of hell" will seek to prevent. He has previously alluded to the Holocaust as part of the reason why his rally is so super important: "Because I've read history. I know how it ended last time and I know how it started. First they came for the Jews, and I said nothing. Let me declare to the entire world, and ask who's with me. This time I will stand. This time I will say something. This time I will be a force for good."

So he's gonna throw the Tea Party under the bus, then?
/

3 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:10:44pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

If the Nazis come for Beck, will anyone protest?

Why would anyone protest? They'd only be picking him up in the car pool.
///

4 nines09  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:28:37pm

Glenn Beck and Rick Santorum in the same sentence. That's like extra-extra nutty peanut butter. With none of the goodness of real peanut butter. I think I just did real peanut butter an injustice. I like peanut butter. Sorry peanut butter. Rick and Glenn. What a Dynamic Duo of Duplicity.

5 Off Colfax  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:30:00pm

re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, the irony.

So he's gonna throw the Tea Party under the bus, then?
/

Nope. As always with Beck, he's going to be a force for good... for Beck.

6 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:32:39pm

"I am not doing a special on Auschwitz per se -- I'm visiting Auschwitz, but I'm talking about the town which is just a few miles outside of the gate."

Trans: "The memorial's State Museum people told my producer to pound sand."

7 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:35:57pm
Glenn Beck said Thursday that he will be visiting the former Nazi death camp Auschwitz in a visit to Poland, and he'll broadcast a special from a town outside of the camp because this will help him "figure out," he says, "how did this happen?"

Will someone please tell the stupid son of a bitch to just read some books, how about the "Winds of War" and 'War and Remembrance." Yeah they are kinda like a soap opera and quite wordy, it isn't exactly riveting reading. But as to their portrayal of the holocaust? There the books hit home because it is all so mundane and routine as the poor Germans struggle with mistakes and technical problems in their attempted genocide. Contamination of the ground water from mass burials, shortages of fuel preventing using engine exhaust to asphyxiate enough people, the problems of designing large scale crematoria.

Herman Wouk related the holocaust as if he was discussing a routine engineering problem, and made it all the more horrifying by doing so (intentionally). Because that was the mindset of the people who actually perpetuated these crimes against humanity.

Glenn Beck? I can already hear the vapid and self-serving rhetoric he will spew. Get a clue Mr. Beck those people did not die so that you would be able to promote yourself on their graves. You make me ashamed to share a species with you.

8 shutdown  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:40:20pm

re: #7 ausador

...You make me ashamed to share a species with you.

Not to worry; you don't.

9 jaunte  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:26:12pm
...he'll broadcast a special from a town outside of the camp because this will help him "figure out," he says, "how did this happen?"
...
..."Because I've read history. I know how it ended last time and
I know how it started.


He just can't keep a story straight, even his own.

10 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:33:06pm

re: #7 ausador

There the books hit home because it is all so mundane and routine as the poor Germans struggle with mistakes and technical problems in their attempted genocide. Contamination of the ground water from mass burials, shortages of fuel preventing using engine exhaust to asphyxiate enough people, the problems of designing large scale crematoria.

Herman Wouk related the holocaust as if he was discussing a routine engineering problem, and made it all the more horrifying by doing so (intentionally). Because that was the mindset of the people who actually perpetuated these crimes against humanity.

THIS. I haven't read either of those books, but of the ones I have read this is what horrified me the most. That something so purely evil as exterminating millions of human beings could be done in such a clinical, detached, systematic manner is...I simply cannot wrap my mind around it.

11 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:49:36pm

re: #10 CuriousLurker

THIS. I haven't read either of those books, but of the ones I have read this is what horrified me the most. That something so purely evil as exterminating millions of human beings could be done in such a clinical, detached, systematic manner is...I simply cannot wrap my mind around it.

They were just following orders...while enriching themselves on the spoils left behind...it isn't as if any of them had a problem with Jews. Or at least that is what everyone said after the fact when they were on trial for war crimes...sigh. :(

12 jaunte  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:53:48pm

re: #10 CuriousLurker

The engineers who designed equipment for the camps knew exactly what they were doing.
[Link: www.topfundsoehne.de...]

13 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:55:53pm

re: #11 ausador

They were just following orders...while enriching themselves on the spoils left behind...it isn't as if any of them had a problem with Jews. Or at least that is what everyone said after the fact when they were on trial for war crimes...sigh. :(

Indeed. Can you imagine, I mean can you seriously IMAGINE telling yourself that leading trainloads of innocent men, women, and children to their deaths in gas chambers is "just following orders"? That makes my head want to explode.

14 jaunte  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:59:34pm

re: #13 CuriousLurker

This page is why I have not forgotten that site:
[Link: www.topfundsoehne.de...]

15 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:02:18pm

re: #12 jaunte

The engineers who designed equipment for the camps knew exactly what they were doing.
[Link: www.topfundsoehne.de...]

Gah! I can't bear to look or read past the home page. "Equipment", "engineering", "design"... those words should never, ever, ever, not in 100 million years be used to talk about the mechanisms to aid in the mass slaughter of humans. I can't think about it anymore because it's gonna make me hyperventilate. I'm out.

16 Interesting Times  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:14:52pm

re: #14 jaunte

This page is why I have not forgotten that site:
[Link: www.topfundsoehne.de...]

I have no words...except:

Here I am quite aware that such an oven must be regarded purely as a facility for extermination, so that concepts of reverence, the separation of ashes and emotions of any kind must be dispensed with entirely.

That's how they did it. Dehumanization. If you reduce people to the level of pests, and see them as such, thinking of the technical details involved in "exterminating" them becomes easy.

17 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:17:07pm

Actually the Memo traffic from Auschwitz constantly complains about the corruption of the dregs of the S.S. sent there as guards. The gold ingots cast from the dental fillings and gold jewelry of the Jews being exterminated consistently went missing. Those tiny gold ingots became a black market currency within the camp, people did everything possible to try to survive, and even the S.S. troopers were willing to be bought, not that it did a lot of good to either side in the long run.

18 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:47:35pm

re: #13 CuriousLurker

Indeed. Can you imagine, I mean can you seriously IMAGINE telling yourself that leading trainloads of innocent men, women, and children to their deaths in gas chambers is "just following orders"? That makes my head want to explode.

It wasn't just that. It was often mixed in with a good dollop of Jew-hate, even among the men who ran the railroads. The Reichsbahn (the German state railway) ran the trains to the death camps with a high degree of efficiency, and there is no way the dispatchers and train engineers did not know what was going on.

19 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:49:06pm

re: #17 ausador

Actually the Memo traffic from Auschwitz constantly complains about the corruption of the dregs of the S.S. sent there as guards. The gold ingots cast from the dental fillings and gold jewelry of the Jews being exterminated consistently went missing. Those tiny gold ingots became a black market currency within the camp, people did everything possible to try to survive, and even the S.S. troopers were willing to be bought, not that it did a lot of good to either side in the long run.

Beck's such an asshole his main thought about that passage would be: "What happened to the gold?"

/I wish I was kidding

20 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:43:37pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

It wasn't just that. It was often mixed in with a good dollop of Jew-hate, even among the men who ran the railroads. The Reichsbahn (the German state railway) ran the trains to the death camps with a high degree of efficiency, and there is no way the dispatchers and train engineers did not know what was going on.

For a long time the American State Department dismissed the information they were receiving about the concentration camps and mass exterminations of Jews as faked anti-German propaganda. One of the reasons was because they knew how critical the German train system was to the war effort. They simply could not believe that troops were left wanting supplies on the Russian front while "priority trains" of Jews shipped from all over Europe were transporting human cargo in boxcars to the extermination camps.

It just never occurred to anyone at the time that killing Jews would take priority over shipping ammunition to their own troops. No one thought that they were actually that insane, later we found out how wrong we were. :(

21 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:37:49pm

re: #16 publicityStunted

I have no words...except:

That's how they did it. Dehumanization. If you reduce people to the level of pests, and see them as such, thinking of the technical details involved in "exterminating" them becomes easy.

Q. Although you knew about the mass liquidation of innocent human beings in crematoriums, you devoted yourself to designing and creating higher capacity incineration furnaces for crematoriums - and on your own initiative.

A. I was a German engineer and key member of the Topf works and I saw it as my duty to apply my specialist knowledge in this way to help Germany win the war, just as an aircraft construction engineer builds airplanes in wartime, which are also connected with the destruction of human beings.

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

22 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:47:19pm

re: #11 ausador

They were just following orders...while enriching themselves on the spoils left behind...it isn't as if any of them had a problem with Jews. Or at least that is what everyone said after the fact when they were on trial for war crimes...sigh. :(

re: #17 ausador

Actually the Memo traffic from Auschwitz constantly complains about the corruption of the dregs of the S.S. sent there as guards. The gold ingots cast from the dental fillings and gold jewelry of the Jews being exterminated consistently went missing. Those tiny gold ingots became a black market currency within the camp, people did everything possible to try to survive, and even the S.S. troopers were willing to be bought, not that it did a lot of good to either side in the long run.

Actually, personal enrichment by SS men, even high-ranking ones, was severely punished by the main offices of the SS. Because it was stealing from the German Reich, the state, to which the spoils were owed. Another deed SS men were heavily punished for was rape. Usually because it meant that they who had to have gone through the strictes Aryan testing had had sexual relations with non-Aryans.

This twisted mindset that produces the concept of a morally virtuous mass murderer is why Himmler praised his SS men for having remained decent throughout the "hardships" of the Holocaust in one of his Posen speeches.

23 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:13:26pm

The whole thing reeks of a publicity stunt and I fully expect Beck to try to compare the Nazis to progressives/liberals since he's done it before. This is interesting though since my first introduction to Beck was when he tried to get the late Irena Sendler the Nobel Peace Prize. Amazing woman I must say though I found it lame that he felt the need to bash Al Gore and Gore's cause to promote her. I've been to Dachau outside of Munich before myself. If Beck wants to know how humans are capable of this, he needs to understand the power of spreading fear and intolerance which I have to say is something he has been guilty of. Not saying I think he's close to the Nazis but the paranoia and fear he spreads are how shit like the Holocaust happens. When you see someone as less than human because you don't like them for their religious, political beliefs etc, then you have the makings of what happened from 1933-45.

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:13:58pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

If the Nazis come for Beck, will anyone protest?

I will, but once they leave him alone, he's back on the shitlist.

Sadly, I think he's far more likely to be misquoting Niemoller, even as he SUPPORTS the Nazis.

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:15:30pm

re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth

Why would anyone protest? They'd only be picking him up in the car pool.
///

OWWWWW.

26 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jun 24, 2011 2:09:23pm

re: #14 jaunte

This page is why I have not forgotten that site:
[Link: www.topfundsoehne.de...]

A patent...

re: #16 publicityStunted

I have no words...except:

That's how they did it. Dehumanization. If you reduce people to the level of pests, and see them as such, thinking of the technical details involved in "exterminating" them becomes easy.

I was thinking the exact same thing last night. *shudder*

Sorry for cutting out on you guys all of a sudden like I did, but my vivid and ridiculously overactive imagination makes subjects like this... well, let's just say I have to shut it out and divert my attention to something else lest I end up in a really bad funk over it.


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