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1 freetoken  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:22:59pm
The governor suggests farmers hire out-of-work criminal probationers, as there are several thousand sitting around.

And here we have the re-entry of the indentured servant into modern society.

Yes, our Constitution and laws permit states to offer and even require labor of convicted criminals. However, and that is a big “however”, it has always been traditional in this country that once a convict is allowed back into the public then the person is not longer subject to having to “pay back their debt”, as the phrase goes. Once released a convict ought to be able to choose work (or not) like any other citizen.

2 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:30:31pm

Left wing answer: Immigration reform

Right Wing Answer: tear down child labor laws and make kids do it

3 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:36:15pm

There was a follow-up report on the attempt to put parolee unemployed newbies into the cucumber fields: The very best parolee picked 1/4th as much as the average of immigrant field hands, and didn’t quite make it through the day.

4 aagcobb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:40:13pm

re: #2 dragonfire1981

Another Right Wing answer: force welfare recipients and inmates to do it. Its hard, back-breaking, low pay work, so you’ll need overseers with whips. The state could hold a seasonal auction at the prisons so the farmers can select the strongest young bucks for field work. Just like the good ole days!/

5 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:42:06pm

The rebuilding of NOLA after Katrina wouldn’t have gotten started without the influx of Mexicans into the area, willing to take what were (for them) very good paying jobs, but having to live in a hell-hole of a tent city while doing it.

There wasn’t sufficient housing, you see, to entice a sufficient number of citizen construction workers from other areas of this country to start working.

The electricity guys, on loan from electrical companies around the country, at least had their trucks they could sleep in. Not so the construction guys, so they stayed away in droves - and the Mexicans arrived and dug in and worked.

I had a difference of opinion with a (now-banned) poster here once, years ago, about this NOLA rebuilding business. He happened to OWN a construction business, and said he checked into sending a couple of crews to NOLA but, well you see - the circumstances just weren’t sufficiently cushy. And oh, the pay was too low, he said; a result of those Mexicans coming in. Thing is the Mexicans weren’t here right away. But they did get here, while this guy kept his crews at home.

Some sort of immigration reform is desperately needed, now. There is no reason on the face of this earth why our immigration folks can’t come up with a WORKABLE system to get folks here who want to work and are willing to do it.

6 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:43:36pm

re: #3 Decatur Deb

There was a follow-up report on the attempt to put parolee unemployed newbies into the cucumber fields: The very best parolee picked 1/4th as much as the average of immigrant field hands, and didn’t quite make it through the day.

And perhaps this sad work ethic is one reason the guy is a parolee from prison, instead of gainfully employed and staying out of prison.

7 aagcobb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:44:17pm

re: #5 reine.de.tout


Some sort of immigration reform is desperately needed, now. There is no reason on the face of this earth why our immigration folks can’t come up with a WORKABLE system to get folks here who want to work and are willing to do it.

There’s racism. Its not a good reason, but its a reason.

8 aagcobb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:46:23pm

re: #6 reine.de.tout

Well you can’t really expect parolees to have the same work ethic as experienced Mexican field hands, can you?

9 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:48:17pm

re: #8 aagcobb

Well you can’t really expect parolees to have the same work ethic as experienced Mexican field hands, can you?

The citizens parolees were not conditioned, even the highly self-motivated one they interviewed. On the other hand, the cucumbers didn’t give a shit about why they weren’t picked.

10 shecky  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:52:50pm
There is no reason on the face of this earth why our immigration folks can’t come up with a WORKABLE system to get folks here who want to work and are willing to do it.

And of course, there’s a HUGE reason why we can’t come up with a workable system. Seriously, how many teabaggers would be up for an immigration reform plan that didn’t involve a 2000 mile fence, machine gun turrets, drones, and moats stocked with man-eating alligators?

11 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:54:49pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

The citizens parolees were not conditioned, even the highly self-motivated one they interviewed. On the other hand, the cucumbers didn’t give a shit about why they weren’t picked.

Yes, there is that conditioning. But there’s only one way to get conditioned …

Parolees, esp. those who were imprisoned for violent crimes, have a hard time finding jobs. Is it right? I dunno, I don’t judge that, I only know I would have had a hard time hiring a convicted rapist to work an evening shift alone with a female employee, or as an inspector with public contact. I seriously would.

So it seems to me it would behoove them to look for something at the low end of the totem pole, prove themselves, and then try to move on up into better paying jobs. That would be, well, a reasonable plan for a parolee.

I still don’t think there would be nearly enough to pick the fruit, or get the jobs done. I’m still steaming over the conversation I had with the former poster here about his work crews and why he wouldn’t send them to NOLA. There are indeed jobs that people here won’t do - and we need to have them done. And if we have a source of people willing to do it - make it legal to hire ‘em!

12 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:57:39pm

re: #11 reine.de.tout

Yes, there is that conditioning. But there’s only one way to get conditioned …

Parolees, esp. those who were imprisoned for violent crimes, have a hard time finding jobs. Is it right? I dunno, I don’t judge that, I only know I would have had a hard time hiring a convicted rapist to work an evening shift alone with a female employee, or as an inspector with public contact. I seriously would.

So it seems to me it would behoove them to look for something at the low end of the totem pole, prove themselves, and then try to move on up into better paying jobs. That would be, well, a reasonable plan for a parolee.

I still don’t think there would be nearly enough to pick the fruit, or get the jobs done. I’m still steaming over the conversation I had with the former poster here about his work crews and why he wouldn’t send them to NOLA. There are indeed jobs that people here won’t do - and we need to have them done. And if we have a source of people willing to do it - make it legal to hire ‘em!

BROAD BRUSH…BROAD BRUSH!!1! Some of our best parolees in this neighborhood are health care executives and former state legislators. They take a LOT of conditioning.

13 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:01:31pm

re: #11 reine.de.tout

Yes, there is that conditioning. But there’s only one way to get conditioned …

Parolees, esp. those who were imprisoned for violent crimes, have a hard time finding jobs. Is it right? I dunno, I don’t judge that, I only know I would have had a hard time hiring a convicted rapist to work an evening shift alone with a female employee, or as an inspector with public contact. I seriously would.

So it seems to me it would behoove them to look for something at the low end of the totem pole, prove themselves, and then try to move on up into better paying jobs. That would be, well, a reasonable plan for a parolee.

I still don’t think there would be nearly enough to pick the fruit, or get the jobs done. I’m still steaming over the conversation I had with the former poster here about his work crews and why he wouldn’t send them to NOLA. There are indeed jobs that people here won’t do - and we need to have them done. And if we have a source of people willing to do it - make it legal to hire ‘em!

takeourjobs.org

14 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:03:08pm

re: #12 Decatur Deb

BROAD BRUSH…BROAD BRUSH!!1! Some of our best parolees in this neighborhood are health care executives and former state legislators. They take a LOT of conditioning.

ROFL!
YES, yes yes - we have those as well.

In fact, there seems to be a direct line from the office of Commissioner of Insurance to prison.

NOTICE: In my original comment I said those who were in prison for VIOLENT crimes.

15 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:04:39pm

re: #13 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

[Link: www.takeourjobs.org…]

A buddy ran away from home in the 70s, and made it onto a lemon-picking crew. He had the fruit measuring ring that fits over your finger and all, was back home before supper.

16 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:05:58pm

re: #13 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

[Link: www.takeourjobs.org…]

And I bet they get maybe, OH, one or two people in a YEAR looking for one of those farm jobs. pfft.

It’s farm jobs, and here, construction jobs as well. Especially roofing. Can’t get a local crew to do any roofing work in the summer. You CAN hire a Mexican crew to come do roofing work in the summer.

17 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:09:44pm

re: #16 reine.de.tout

And I bet they get maybe, OH, one or two people in a YEAR looking for one of those farm jobs. pfft.

It’s farm jobs, and here, construction jobs as well. Especially roofing. Can’t get a local crew to do any roofing work in the summer. You CAN hire a Mexican crew to come do roofing work in the summer.

I put on at least one Habitat roof each summer. Of course I wouldn’t do it if I got paid. (And yes, the roofers are often immigrant volunteers from the churches and trusty prisoners from our jails.)

18 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:13:38pm

re: #17 Decatur Deb

I put on at least one Habitat roof each summer. Of course I wouldn’t do it if I got paid. (And yes, the roofers are often immigrant volunteers from the churches and trusty prisoners from our jails.)

Cannot hire a roofing crew of locals here.
Can’t be done.
It’s October before they start working.

19 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:16:23pm

re: #18 reine.de.tout

Cannot hire a roofing crew of locals here.
Can’t be done.
It’s October before they start working.

In Summer we set up before dawn, and knock off before 2PM. Usually we put enough volunteers up to brute-force a modest roof in one day.

20 Flavia  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:42:01pm

I had a disagreement with a friend about illegal immigrants. He insists that it’s all “PC Democrats who scream racism at the very thought of immigration reform” who were the problem. When I retorted that it was cheaper for Big Business to buy senators than it was to hire Americans, & that that was why the illegal immigrant problem would never be solved, he refused to even consider that fact.

21 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:42:12pm

Hey Charles, did you check the tweets? 252 most of which happened in 4 minutes.

Things that make ya go hmmmm….

bitly.com

22 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:49:48pm

re: #21 marjoriemoon

Hey Charles, did you check the tweets? 252 most of which happened in 4 minutes.

Things that make ya go hmmm…

[Link: bitly.com…]

I know. It’s apparently the latest brilliant plan to destroy LGF. We’re doomed.

23 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:51:28pm

re: #22 Charles

I know. It’s apparently the latest brilliant plan to destroy LGF. We’re doomed.

I was hoping to make it to Mayan New Year.

24 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:11:45pm

re: #21 marjoriemoon

Hey Charles, did you check the tweets? 252 most of which happened in 4 minutes.

Things that make ya go hmmm…

[Link: bitly.com…]

Bulgaria?

25 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:14:08pm

re: #21 marjoriemoon

Hey Charles, did you check the tweets? 252 most of which happened in 4 minutes.

Things that make ya go hmmm…

[Link: bitly.com…]

Marjorie - how do you get to that information?

26 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:19:06pm

re: #24 reine.de.tout

Bulgaria?

heh I didn’t notice.

I’m a bit of a novice at this, but that site tracks twitter counts, but apparently it can be majorly spammed. Is that what you’re asking?

27 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:21:39pm

re: #25 reine.de.tout

Marjorie - how do you get to that information?

Oh I’m sorry, there’s a pull down menu on the right side under the Bit logo that says “Total” as default, but you can select other times to “zoom” in.

28 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:34:31pm

re: #27 marjoriemoon

Oh I’m sorry, there’s a pull down menu on the right side under the Bit logo that says “Total” as default, but you can select other times to “zoom” in.

Sorry, I’m very dense about this - where is the bit logo?
I’m so confused…

29 laZardo  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:38:22pm

re: #13 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

[Link: www.takeourjobs.org…]

WE TUK ER JERR!

30 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:39:02pm

re: #28 reine.de.tout

Sorry, I’m very dense about this - where is the bit logo?
I’m so confused…

hehe If you click on the link, there’s a black and white image on the right side there. That’s the logo. Under it is a pull down tab where you can see the twitter times, 1 hour, 24 hours, 7 days, etc. See it?

I didn’t mean to interrupt your discussion, btw. Sorry about that!

31 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:44:50pm

re: #30 marjoriemoon

hehe If you click on the link, there’s a black and white image on the right side there. That’s the logo. Under it is a pull down tab where you can see the twitter times, 1 hour, 24 hours, 7 days, etc. See it?

I didn’t mean to interrupt your discussion, btw. Sorry about that!

If I’m at twitter and I click the link, it brings me to this page.
I have an bit.ly account, and I’m there and I’m trying to use their “search” feature to get info on that link, but that doesn’t work.

I’m trying to find out how you got the bit.ly site to pull up that information for the link to this page.

32 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:50:01pm

re: #31 reine.de.tout

If I’m at twitter and I click the link, it brings me to this page.
I have an bit.ly account, and I’m there and I’m trying to use their “search” feature to get info on that link, but that doesn’t work.

I’m trying to find out how you got the bit.ly site to pull up that information for the link to this page.

Ok. Here is the link to this page.

bitly.com

That should take you to where the graph is.

If you click “Bitly” in white in the upper LEFT corner, it will take you to the Home page and you can play with other links there.

33 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:50:40pm

re: #5 reine.de.tout

When I first visited New Orleans in 2006, they had a bunch of Katrina themed t-shirts you could buy that said things like “City of New Orleans. Est. 1696 Re-Est. 2005” and such.

I got one which read.

Find
Every
Mexican
Available

34 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:54:05pm

re: #32 marjoriemoon

Ok. Here is the link to this page.

[Link: bitly.com…]

That should take you to where the graph is.

If you click “Bitly” in white in the upper LEFT corner, it will take you to the Home page and you can play with other links there.

If that doesn’t work for some reason, you can go to the Home page here

bitly.com

And put in the long URL in the menu bar. Hit “Shorten” and it should give you a link below that says “Info Page+”

35 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:02:01pm

re: #34 marjoriemoon

If that doesn’t work for some reason, you can go to the Home page here

[Link: bitly.com…]

And put in the long URL in the menu bar. Hit “Shorten” and it should give you a link below that says “Info Page+”

aha.
THIS is what I wanted to know. Thanks!

36 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:04:43pm

re: #33 dragonfire1981

When I first visited New Orleans in 2006, they had a bunch of Katrina themed t-shirts you could buy that said things like “City of New Orleans. Est. 1696 Re-Est. 2005” and such.

I got one which read.

Find
Every
Mexican
Available

Heh. Yes. That’s what happened. And we are very thankful for them.

37 Lidane  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:51:10pm

re: #10 shecky

And of course, there’s a HUGE reason why we can’t come up with a workable system. Seriously, how many teabaggers would be up for an immigration reform plan that didn’t involve a 2000 mile fence, machine gun turrets, drones, and moats stocked with man-eating alligators?

You forgot land mines, snipers, and sharks with laser beams. The teabaggers and other idiots think all those things make up immigration reform. It doesn’t.

38 justaminute  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:52:45pm

I read a funny/ironic little parable written by an anonymous poster to this story:

“A rich local business owner decided he really DID want to help fund the wall that the hillbillies were building around their county to keep the immigrant workers away. He decided it would give him a reason to relocate his factory to Mexico and hire cheaper labor anyway.”

39 Lidane  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:52:45pm

re: #33 dragonfire1981

Find
Every
Mexican
Available

George Lopez riffed on that in one of his stand up shows. He went out of his way to talk about all the Mexicans helping to rebuild New Orleans after Katrina.

40 Lidane  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:58:35pm

re: #39 Lidane

George Lopez riffed on that in one of his stand up shows. He went out of his way to talk about all the Mexicans helping to rebuild New Orleans after Katrina.

Found the clip:

Youtube Video

41 freetoken  Sun, Jun 26, 2011 1:45:09am

I see the tweet-zombie has hit this thread too. Must be one obsessed little bot.


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