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1 MichaelJ  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 11:54:56am

Gee, I wonder why there wasn't so much whining and tooth gnashing when the debt ceiling was raised 5 times during the Bush presidency...

2 shutdown  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:02:58pm

Did he collect and destroy Medicare checks from mailboxes on the way out?

3 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:05:20pm

Oh yes. Armed rebellion against the usurper tyrant. We have heard this sort of idiocy from a South Carolina congressman before. I think it was around 1860.

I have no problem putting them back in their place again...by force if necessary.

4 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:06:45pm

Meanwhile it was mostly R's debating the 14th amendment run around, and Barney Frank shot the whole idea down earlier today.

5 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:10:32pm
"I think it would cause a great crisis in our democracy" if debt was created without a rise in the debt limit, Frank told economist Bruce Bartlett, a former Republican who has been talking up the "constitutional option." Frank simply didn't see a way for this to work, and warned of political disaster.

"The anger in the country, the political bitterness and the vitriol, would be amplified," he said, "and you'd let people off the hook for their irresponsibility."

[Link: www.slate.com...]

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:14:21pm

Wow. The comments at Fox Nation are really insane. That place is getting even worse.

7 Lidane  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:20:31pm

re: #6 Charles

Wow. The comments at Fox Nation are really insane. That place is getting even worse.

How's that even possible? It's already a den of Bad Crazy.

8 nines09  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:31:14pm

This non stop lying makes me crazy. If he really wanted to scare the living shit out of them in that room, he could close his "Bullshit 101 to Dumb Ass White Folk Thinking They be Thinking" with "And the really scary part is folk like me move in next door."
Freaking staged idiocy. GOP/TP/FAIL

9 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:39:54pm

re: #5 Thanos

[Link: www.slate.com...]

It is an interesting situation. Why bother to even vote of the debt limit if it's unnecessary? It would be dicey if Obama took that route but I suppose it would be in response to a radical situation. If it's the only way to save the country from default and he thinks he can get it past the supreme court then he has to try.

10 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:42:31pm

re: #6 Charles

Wow. The comments at Fox Nation are really insane. That place is getting even worse.

I didn't think that was even possible.

11 Lidane  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:42:46pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

It is an interesting situation. Why bother to even vote of the debt limit if it's unnecessary? It would be dicey if Obama took that route but I suppose it would be in response to a radical situation. If it's the only way to save the country from default and he thinks he can get it past the supreme court then he has to try.

I think they're floating it as a last ditch, desperate measure that he would only take if Congress live up to their current fail and refuse to act.

If the choice comes down to default on the debt and a global depression, or pissing off the GOP and possibly facing impeachment, he'd clearly make the choice of impeachment and facing SCOTUS. There's no other reason for the high level Dems to even float this idea otherwise.

12 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:49:08pm

Ok I recant my statement. The Fox comments are atrocious.

13 RanchTooth  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:49:41pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

It is an interesting situation. Why bother to even vote of the debt limit if it's unnecessary? It would be dicey if Obama took that route but I suppose it would be in response to a radical situation. If it's the only way to save the country from default and he thinks he can get it past the supreme court then he has to try.

The problem is that there is no precedent for this kind of situation. Even if he invokes the 14th amendment, will the credit agencies believe him? That's really who it will matter to. Them, and whoever holds onto our debt. I think Obama will win the Constitutional argument with SCOTUS, but the World Economy will probably believe in his word if it comes down to the wire for the sake of the World Economy, or one would hope.

14 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:11:36pm

re: #6 Charles

Wow. The comments at Fox Nation are really insane. That place is getting even worse.

No kidding.

This one really hits the edge of stormfront thuggishness.

Hey, this Buckwheat should have been impeached long ago, I'm positive an audit of all this money going out will show he's a fu cking thief and belongs in the skin head cell block at Leavenworth. And if there are any moronic liberals out there calling me racist for using the word BUCKWHEAT, LOOK IN YOUR DICTIONARY, THAT INCLUDES YOU TOO, DISQUS.

Sick. Absolutely sick.

15 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 2:02:59pm

This guy should be removed/recalled from office for inciting armed rebellion against the government. I suppose he had the weasel words though so he will not be seriously investigated.

16 elisabeth  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 2:18:25pm
I think they're floating it as a last ditch, desperate measure that he would only take if Congress live up to their current fail and refuse to act.

Maybe if Congress wasn't dysfunctional we wouldn't have situations like this arise. Reminds me of all the teeth-gnashing over the extension of the Bush tax cuts; the president worked out a compromise because Congress couldn't get the job done. People want him to lead but only when he leads them where they want to go.

17 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 2:22:07pm

re: #14 celticdragon

No kidding.

This one really hits the edge of stormfront thuggishness.

Sick. Absolutely sick.

That is the problem with basically anonymous internet comments, they cause each side to hate each other over comments posted by 13-35 year old trolls who are only doing it for the "lulz."

18 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 2:25:25pm

re: #10 dragonfire1981

I didn't think that was even possible.

it's always possible, right up to and including threats to the president, which is probably what's gonna happen

Sure would be great to see the Secret Service knock on some commenters' doors :D

19 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 2:28:42pm

WOW crazies!

YOUR RIGHT HE IS WAY WORST, NIXON RESIGNED, THIS MAN AIMS TO CONSOLIDATE POWER AND CHANGE AMERICA INTO A DICTATORSHIP, ALL IN THE NAME OF SOCIAL JUSTICE, NOT WHILE THERE ARE AMERICAN PATRIOTS WILLING TO DIE IF NECESSARY AND EXECUTE ANYONE TRYING TO USERP THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE !

This is from a guy called "forcerecon"

I couldn't make this shit up

20 andres  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 3:04:03pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

It is an interesting situation. Why bother to even vote of the debt limit if it's unnecessary? It would be dicey if Obama took that route but I suppose it would be in response to a radical situation. If it's the only way to save the country from default and he thinks he can get it past the supreme court then he has to try.

I guess they continue to vote on it because it's tradition. We (as in humanity) has kept doing some pretty awkward things just because it's tradition.

If the Republicans continue to play chicken with the economy, I can see Obama pulling this on July 21/22, which is the dateline Obama put.

21 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 3:04:19pm

re: #19 WindUpBird

WOW crazies!

This is from a guy called "forcerecon"

I couldn't make this shit up

Ya know, if I were a dictator like Obama is alleged to be, one of my pet projects would be to round up all these doofi who use the nic "Force Recon" and variations, and quiz them one by one to find which of them, if any, actually have a ballpark idea what the term means. Those who fail the quiz will be sent to the FEMA gulag to help prepare it for all the Christians, home-schoolers, and gun owners we would be rounding up next.

22 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 7, 2011 7:11:21pm

Palin endorsee.

23 thecommodore  Fri, Jul 8, 2011 12:48:51am

I don't think it's fair to characterize what Scott said here that way. It looks to e like he was being metaphorical, when he said "there will be a revolt among the American people," and "I think we will find ourselves in the biggest war of all time if he does that (invoke the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling without Congressional approval." He's most likely talking about a huge electoral backlash, not an armed rebellion.

Just saying.

24 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 8, 2011 2:39:08am

re: #23 thecommodore

I don't think it's fair to characterize what Scott said here that way. It looks to e like he was being metaphorical, when he said "there will be a revolt among the American people," and "I think we will find ourselves in the biggest war of all time if he does that (invoke the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling without Congressional approval." He's most likely talking about a huge electoral backlash, not an armed rebellion.

Just saying.

You're correct, and he needs to have his metaphorical ass kicked. Metaphorically, of course.

25 RogueOne  Fri, Jul 8, 2011 3:35:35am

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Not sure I agree. If the president decides on his own that the constitution doesn't really say what it obviously does and that he can borrow/print money on his own....it's a lot more of a serious offense than getting a bj in the oval office. Congress controls the purse strings. The argument being put forward that the president is authorized to do what he wants, based on the 14th amendment, is beyond silly.

Not even TPM could find someone to say it's a good idea:
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

26 Buck  Fri, Jul 8, 2011 10:36:18am

re: #23 thecommodore

He's most likely talking about a huge electoral backlash, not an armed rebellion.

Only Dems and the left are allowed to use violent rhetoric.

I thought everyone knew that.

27 thecommodore  Fri, Jul 8, 2011 11:52:41am

re: #26 Buck

Only Dems and the left are allowed to use violent rhetoric.

I thought everyone knew that.

And only right wingers are allowed to justify using violent rhetoric by pointing to a time when a Democrat did it.


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