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1 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 7:35:05pm

Except this guy was the cult leader of a "religion" that he made up himself. Like Charles Manson.

2 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 7:43:19pm

re: #1 Alouette


Negative.


"Prosecutor Tracey Cline said in court that Moses and his wives were members of a religious sect called the Black Hebrews, a group that “frowns upon” homosexuality."

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

3 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 9:16:22pm

His wives?????????

4 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 9:21:39pm

re: #3 ggt

"The Black Hebrews believe that they are descended from the ten lost tribes of Israel. They live according to their own special rules of conduct. Polygamy is permitted and birth control is forbidden."


[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

5 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 9:35:19pm

They aren't some Charles Manson cult. There are literally tens of thousands of these guys, and they are clearly referred to as a religious sect. They're fucking crazy, but that doesn't stop them from being a religion.

6 laZardo  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 9:43:58pm

re: #5 SpaceJesus

They aren't some Charles Manson cult. There are literally tens of thousands of these guys, and they are clearly referred to as a religious sect. They're fucking crazy, but that doesn't stop them from being a religion.

And that, in effect, is what religion is all about.

7 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 9:48:53pm

re: #6 laZardo

And that, in effect, is what religion is all about.

And the US facilities their crazy religion by giving them the money to build a special school just for them in Israel.

8 EiMitch  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 10:09:04pm

4 years old?! Even if there is a way to know someone's sexual orientation at that age, (and there isn't) why kill? Nevermind the moral issues. If being gay is a sin because we're supposed to have kids and multiply, then what does murder accomplish? Corpses don't breed. What sense does that make?

I know, I know: "sense" is beside the point.

Wait! Thats it! Sense is beside the point! We must be senseless! And shameless will also help.

You absolutely should disown, or even murder, your gay child. Why? Because that is how families stay together, moral, happy and sane. By the way, I think that pink elephant just flipped me the bird.

**loads elephant gun with "for the family" inscribed on barrel**

9 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 11:24:28pm

re: #8 EiMitch

If being gay is a sin because we're supposed to have kids and multiply, then what does murder accomplish?

It accomplishes elimination.

Look at this precious baby. He's dead, now.

Image: northcarolina.jpg

10 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:16:04am

re: #4 SpaceJesus

"The Black Hebrews believe that they are descended from the ten lost tribes of Israel. They live according to their own special rules of conduct. Polygamy is permitted and birth control is forbidden."

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

There's a bit more to the "Black Hebrews" phenomenon than the JVL article lets on. And contrary to what someone else said, there are not tens of thousands of them, they are extreme minorities within Black Christianity.

The longest Christian denominational names that I'm aware of are from "Hebrew Pentecostals", out of the Holiness tradition, that date back to 1903. (The "Black Hebrews" that took up in Israel came out of the 60s and have more in common with the Rastafarians, so the idea is much older than them -- the rest make no claim to right of return.) You can tell them by their "House of God" or "Church of the Living God" monikers.

House of God, Which is the Church of the Living God, Pillar and Ground of the Truth

The House of God, Which is the Church of the Living God and the Pillar and the Ground of the Truth Without Controversy, Inc., Keith Dominion

Church of the Living God, The Pillar and Ground of the Truth, Which He Purchased With His Own Blood, Inc. (Jewell Dominion)

The original House of God International, est 1918, is the home denomination of Marvin Gaye (another preacher's kid killed by a parent over social issues. Nice.)

The House of God Hebrew Pentecostal, the Holy Church of the Living God, the Pillar and the Ground of the Truth, The House of Prayer for all people

Anyway, I'm no fan of either the "Black Hebrews"/Black Hebrew Israelite antisemitic cranks, or the House of God International/Church of the Living God groups, but tmk it's still not clear just WHAT sect these murderous whackjobs who killed that baby are out of. None of them would surprise me, tbf.

/ohcrap religion rolodexing

Sorry for the long post.

11 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 4:29:45am

Poor kid. I hope there is justice for him.

12 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 4:55:05am

That's beyond messed up. How a decent person finds God and turns into a raging psycho is beyond me. I didn't lose my sanity when I became a Christian.

Also why should a 4 year old be pinned with a sexual orientation.? He's just FOUR freaking years old!

13 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 5:11:56am

These people are a cult. They have no connection with mainsteam Judaism at all, even though a bunch of them immigrated to Israel in the 1970's and set up their cult headquarters in Dimona.

14 Locker  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 6:39:02am

The only difference between a "cult" and a "religion" is number of members the the amount of uproar they can generate when being called a cult instead of a religion.

15 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 6:48:11am

re: #14 Locker

The only difference between a "cult" and a "religion" is number of members the the amount of uproar they can generate when being called a cult instead of a religion.

It's only through relatively recent antagonistic use that the word "cult" began to describe a Bad Thing. The old meaning just referred to any religious belief that was fostered (cultivated). Catholic writers often would describe the 'cult of Mary' or 'cult of the saints' in totally neutral or favorable discussion.

16 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 6:57:58am

re: #13 Alouette

These people are a cult. They have no connection with mainsteam Judaism at all, even though a bunch of them immigrated to Israel in the 1970's and set up their cult headquarters in Dimona.

Outside of themselves, I don't think anyone would mistake them for Jews, be they the people in Dimona or the jackasses yelling at passersby in Harlem. The latter have a lot more in common with the FDLS Mormons, Branch Davidians, and other only-in-America inventions trying to cast themselves as the "true" Jews. The Hebrew Pentecostals are basically a Holiness/Sabbatarian sect who seem content with being Christians. But within even Black Christianity, they're pretty obscure.

I do find it interesting the press is still saying Moses + wives are suspected of being BHs, even with all the publicity about them. One would think they would know by now.

17 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 7:02:15am

From Wiki:

Cult

This article gives a general cultural account of "cult". For its usage in the original sense of "veneration" or "religious practice", see Cult (religious practice). For its use in a scientific, sociological context see New Religious Movement. For other uses, see Cult (disambiguation).

The word cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The narrower, derogatory sense of the word is a product of the 20th century, especially since the 1980s, and is considered subjective. It is also a result of the anti-cult movement which uses the word in reference to groups seen as authoritarian, exploitative and that are believed to use dangerous rituals or mind control. The word implies a group which is a minority in a given society. The word was first used in the early 17th century denoting homage paid to a divinity and derived from French culte or Latin cultus ‘worship,’ from cult- ‘inhabited, cultivated, worshiped,’ from the verb colere 'care, cultivation'.[citation needed]

18 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 8:20:27am

re: #13 Alouette

These people are a cult. They have no connection with mainsteam Judaism at all, even though a bunch of them immigrated to Israel in the 1970's and set up their cult headquarters in Dimona.


They are clearly referred to as a religious sect, not as a cult. You erroneously stated that this Moses fellow invented the Black Hebrew movement and implied that it was tiny, like Charles Manson's following.

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 8:22:18am

re: #18 SpaceJesus

I think Alouette's main point is that these people have nothing to do with historical Judaism, which is true.

20 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 8:32:19am

re: #10 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin


I agree. I don't know what group they fall under, but they are a religious sect. I do however, stand by my assertion that there are tens of thousands of them. There is around 2,500 in Israel, and between 25,000 and 40,000 in the US.

"In the mid-1980s, the number of Black Hebrews in the United States was between 25,000 and 40,000"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

21 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 8:36:27am

re: #19 Sergey Romanov

Then she should have said as much, instead of stating false facts. Of course these people have nothing to do with historical Judaism. They reject the story in favor of one in which they are the real Jews. They pull this all out of their ass, of course, but so did Joseph Smith when he founded Mormonism. Are Mormons a cult?

22 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 9:17:09am

re: #21 SpaceJesus

Yes

23 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 12, 2011 7:13:13pm

re: #20 SpaceJesus

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yeah that's one of those articles that folds in the Christians (i.e. the people who have "Church" in their title) with the "we're the true Jews" types, which is where I suspect those numbers come from. Jury's still out on what these people were but I doubt they were from the Church of...set. I also haven't read the Sundquist book that is the reference for that claim, but it looks like a worthy read.

What I can say is, among Black Christians, the "Church of living God " types were among the first to originate this idea of "returning" to some misappropriation of "Judaism", and go make a separate set of denominations out of it. The "Black Hebrews" cranks and the people in Dimona took up those ideas and ran with them, but as you note they weren't alone by any means.

The Mormons do it, the British Israelite bigots do it, the Rastafarians do it, the Puritans were infamous for picturing their new digs as "Zion", the list goes on.

All of Christianity has been making the bogus claim of "true" inheritance of "real" Judaism for +-1800 years in some form, some more stridently than others, of course.

So since so many sects label all others "cults" and the feeling's mutual, the term is really just good for polemics, anymore. Personally, I don't use it, but understand that/why others do.


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