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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:56:00am

Well, who knows. They may grow up to be great Tea Party leaders.

half-/

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:59:12am

"and her half-sister, Dresden"

*eyeroll*

3 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:05:23am

I thought the color Prussian Blue was just fine the way it was. Why go changing tradition? It'd be like changing Bubblegum Pink--why?

4 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:52:34am

Hey, you left out a crucial detail!

“I have to say, marijuana saved my life,” Lynx told me. “I would probably be dead if I didn’t have it.” She discovered pot while recovering from her cancer treatments. She’d been prescribed morphine and OxyContin, which she quit cold turkey. One day when she was having a bout of nausea, a friend offered her a toke. She was reluctant at first. The girls’ biological father had been “a druggie” when they were young, Lynx said.

But the drug worked wonders, and soon Lynx became one of the first five minors to get a medical marijuana card in Montana. Now Lamb has one, too.

Pot has also helped the twins rekindle the creative impulses they once channeled into their music. They’ve both taken up painting — astrological themes, mostly — and Lynx restores furniture. They hope to enroll in college, and intend to dedicate themselves to making medical marijuana legal in all 50 states.

5 Lidane  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:53:27am
“I was just spouting a lot of knowledge that I had no idea what I was saying,” she said.

If she'd chosen any other word I might be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt.

It sounds like they now realize that most people are going to reject outright Nazism and Holocaust denial and all that, but the wording of their statements makes me wonder if they're sincere or just playing PR.

6 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:59:53am

re: #5 Lidane

I think it's just that they can't yet bring themselves to fully accept what they did and how wrong it is. They still have soft denialism as regards to the holocaust-- saying that Churchill was bad too.

7 Lidane  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:09:00am

re: #6 Obdicut

I think it's just that they can't yet bring themselves to fully accept what they did and how wrong it is. They still have soft denialism as regards to the holocaust-- saying that Churchill was bad too.

As soon as they convert to Judiasm and start dating black guys, I'll believe they've changed. Until then the soft denialism doesn't work for me.

Hehe.

8 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:18:52am

re: #5 Lidane

If she'd chosen any other word I might be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt.

It sounds like they now realize that most people are going to reject outright Nazism and Holocaust denial and all that, but the wording of their statements makes me wonder if they're sincere or just playing PR.

Bullshit != knowledge

9 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:47:26am

Hmmm. Things seemed okay until she said that Hitler wasn't the best, neither was Stalin, neither was Churchill.

One of these things is not like the other.

They're still messed up.

10 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:55:49am

They have moved farther, from much farther back than most kids their age, so there's progress.

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:05:38am

re: #9 EmmmieG

Anybody would have been messed up after such upbringing. So if the change is true and permanent, it's almost a miracle. They may actually turn to be out normal people in the end.

12 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:28:36am

re: #4 iceweasel

Hey, you left out a crucial detail!

[Video]

If they converted from white supremacists to potheads, I'd call that a big step up.

13 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:39:26am

can't wait for them to collaborate with snoop on something

14 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 12:03:10pm

re: #3 ggt

I thought the color Prussian Blue was just fine the way it was. Why go changing tradition? It'd be like changing Bubblegum Pink--why?

"Prussian blue" I think is a reference to the poison gas.

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 12:07:22pm

re: #14 Alouette

Prussian blue is a reference to blue stains HCN may leave under certain conditions on the walls/floors/ceilings of the rooms where it is used.

Prussian blue in the name of the group is a reference of a holocaust denial claim. The gas chambers of Birkenau lack Prussian blue discoloration, while Zyklon B disinfection chambers both there and in Majdanek do have these stains. Therefore, deniers argue, there were no gassings as described.

The argument fails because disinfection and homicidal gassings have extremely different modes of Zyklon B application - different periods of application (disinfection takes much longer), different humidity.

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 12:12:59pm

re: #15 Sergey Romanov

(And to add to this: several tests have found HCN traces in the ruins of the chambers, so we do know that HCN/Zyklon B was used there - without leaving the blue discoloration.)

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 12:43:35pm

re: #7 Lidane

As soon as they convert to Judiasm and start dating black guys, I'll believe they've changed. Until then the soft denialism doesn't work for me.

Hehe.

I'm generally quite open to converts, but in this case...I don't really want them.

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 12:45:38pm

re: #15 Sergey Romanov

Prussian blue is a reference to blue stains HCN may leave under certain conditions on the walls/floors/ceilings of the rooms where it is used.

Prussian blue in the name of the group is a reference of a holocaust denial claim. The gas chambers of Birkenau lack Prussian blue discoloration, while Zyklon B disinfection chambers both there and in Majdanek do have these stains. Therefore, deniers argue, there were no gassings as described.

The argument fails because disinfection and homicidal gassings have extremely different modes of Zyklon B application - different periods of application (disinfection takes much longer), different humidity.

When the band was still going, they also used to say it was a reference to their heritage and their blue eyes.

One thing I do find rather interesting is how they describe the intensity and weirdness of their fan mail.

I don't trust either of these girls as far as I could throw them, but I do have to remind myself that they were little girls when they were doing this, ie, someone else's puppets. Whether they really have freed themselves mentally remains to be seen, but...eh.

19 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 12:46:46pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep. I mean, first and foremost, I feel terrible for them. But that they were raised as white supremacists means, unfortunately, that I can't really accept that they're not when they still engage in soft denial.

20 CarolJ  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 2:50:39pm

re: #19 Obdicut

They were home-schooled, and with their "career" probably kept away from other kids. And how many parents allowed their kids to play with them? So there is probably a lot they still don't know about World War II, the Holocaust. Plus they are still sorting out a lot of things as well-what they were told and what they are still learning about-who to trust and who's just making up stuff. So it's a slow process of moving away and rethinking stuff.

Why can't they be trusted? These girls are no different than the kids who were brainwashed into Scientology and various cults. Indeed, even worse, because they were also exploited for a cause and for money. Do you think they are trying to deceive people by a conversion of some sort?

And Churchill may have been heroic fighting Nazism, but he still was a colonialist and pretty reactionary in other areas too. Which is why he was booted out right after the war for a more liberal Atlee.

21 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 3:25:08pm

I was wondering what had happened to them. I really hope they see the error of the they were educated and use it to educate people of just why neo-nazism is fucked up.

22 CarolJ  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 3:47:26pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

It will take time to do that-and they may still softpedal some stuff because they need their mother's support. Once they can move away, or get married, or get some kind of support not dependent upon their mother, they may be a bit more outspoken. Even if they never speak out again, people already know they are out and will remain out-it's not as if Nazis are loving, forgiving sorts that will take them back. Indeed, they were exposed to a level of hate and near-pedophilia that few children ever encounter.

What distresses me is the amount of hostility towards these girls. These girls were exploited and brainwashed by a crazy mother and didn't have much of a choice, like many child stars we could name.

And the suspicion? Really? They could have cashed in by staying in by being the "Britney Spears" or some such of racist ideology. Hard-core supporters would spend money they didn't have on them-like the collectors who spend insane amounts on a hobby that means something only to them. Or they could have started to pose for a few explicit pictures and infiltrated the industry (if that was their intention). Instead they quit, went to a normal school and decided to take a more ordinary path. They finish furniture and clean hotel rooms now. Living an ordinary life where there's kindness, a bit of creativity and sanity means more to them than gold now.


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