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1 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:36:16pm

It's not that simple. Much as I rail at the way some public unions obstruct educational reforms, or snag for themselves unconscionable pension deals that go far toward bankrupting state and local governments, I have to grant that there can be a place for public unions.

As to unions organized to bargain collectively for workers in private industry, that's just a matter between the workers and the corporation. Let the chips fall where they may. If unions simply didn't exist and couldn't exist, the balance of power between corporate management and labor would shift toward management. Unions today do little harm in the private sector. The latent threat that a non-unionized company may be organized helps to keep in check any rapacious tendencies management might harbor. This part of the system isn't exactly broken, and accordingly it shouldn't be "fixed". The system we have in the private sector is a reasonably good one.

Systems that promote the harmonious cooperation of various sectors, e.g. labor and management, are in the long run good for the economy.

2 mikiesmoky2  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:36:26pm

re: #1 lostlakehiker

Thank you for your well thought out comments.
Hiking around a lake sounds pretty good, right about now (97 degrees!).

REGARDING: It's not that simple. Much as I rail at the way some public unions obstruct educational reforms, or snag for themselves unconscionable pension deals that go far toward bankrupting state and local governments,
RESPONSE: You have hit the old nail on its head, i.e., we have “bubbles” in both public and private unions involving salaries and benefits and MUST be addressed as soon as possible, i.e., there is, absolutely, no alternative.

REGARDING: I have to grant that there can be a place for public unions.
RESPONSE: Where and what is that place?

REGARDING: As to unions organized to bargain collectively for workers in private industry, that's just a matter between the workers and the corporation. Let the chips fall where they may.
RESPONSE: A corporation is a conduit between the workers and the customers of that corporation. A corporation may give in to demands as long as the Directors “think” the additional costs can be passed on to the customers, thus the shift of wealth from non-union taxpayers/workers/customers to the union workers.

REGARDING: If unions simply didn't exist and couldn't exist, the balance of power between corporate management and labor would shift toward management.
RESPONSE: Whereas you may be correct, there is no empirical evidence to support that conclusion. The “balance of power” is actually between the workers and the customers. Again, a corporation is the conduit between the workers and the customers.

REGARDING: Unions today do little harm in the private sector.
RESPONSE: Unions have done great harm to themselves and this nation’s energy and competitiveness.
Circa 1979, during President Carter’s “7% wage and price” guideline, the steel workers’ union negotiated a 50% increase in wages and benefits over a 3 years period. At the time, I suggested that might kill our steel industry. The number of steel workers has dropped, precipitously.
At the minimum, unions should be subjected to anti-trust laws.
The negotiated wages and benefits cause shifts of wealth from non-union to union workers.

REGARDING: The latent threat that a non-unionized company may be organized helps to keep in check any rapacious tendencies management might harbor. This part of the system isn't exactly broken, and accordingly it shouldn't be "fixed". The system we have in the private sector is a reasonably good one.
RESPONSE: I suggest you review the current goings on regarding Boeing’s attempt to open a non-union facility on the East coast.

REGARDING: Systems that promote the harmonious cooperation of various sectors, e.g. labor and management, are in the long run good for the economy. RESPONSE: Stipulated.

This subject must be addressed, immediately, at all levels of government.

When a politian suggests that we need more high-paying union jobs, he or she is saying that non-union workers should donate their wealth to union workers.

Thanks again for your thoughtful comments.

mz


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