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1 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:03:13pm

One up for a straight link to a legit source. Even if the conclusions are unpopular or counter intuitive.

2 calochortus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:23:49pm

Its also not, I think, a new theory.
It does leave the question of why things improved until about 1937 when they decided to balance the budget and the economy got worse again.

I suspect that these things are always more complicated than we would like to believe.

3 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:04:45pm
"Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."


That's a funny way of putting it considering that antitrust prosecution is just another type of government intervention. The salient point isn't that government intervention is bad but that the wrong type of government intervention is bad.

4 philosophus invidius  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:20:05pm

Why should we take these economists seriously after all they've done to "help" our economy in the early 2000's?

5 RoadWarrior  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:50:59pm

What an important contribution. Kind of explains why Spain has had high unemployment approximately forever.

Labor-friendly policies...good way to convince investors and consumers to stay home. Good way to sound like you care. Good for people who haven't studied economics.

6 EiMitch  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:16:17pm

Alot of people see only the good in FDR, and forgot alot of his more whack ideas.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages,


In other words, higher prices on anything and everything was healthy, according to FDR. How willfully ignorant must one be in order to believe inflation is a good thing?

Debate politics and economics all you want. I have a low opinion of FDR for one big reason: subsidizing farmers on the condition that they stop growing food. What for? To raise prices.

Does that register, with full context?

At a time when poor people were most worried about being able to eat, POTUS and congress decided to make food more expensive and less available.

Really. No kidding.

He couldn't just subsidize farmers straight out, or tell them to grow something else. Nope, he wanted people to have less food.

How FDR's cult of personality survived that, I will never understand.

Oh, that's right! I forgot about the dust-bowl. The perfect impersonal scapegoat. "Some farmers have trouble growing stuff, (to put it mildly) so lets discourage other farmers from making up the difference. That way, when we later have to ration food, its not our fault. Why not? Because, shut up! That's why not."

Its unforgivable, no matter what you say about the rest of Roosevelt's politics. Nothing makes amends for attacking food supplies in troubled times. Nothing!

7 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:45:03pm

Except for one stimulus package, actually signed by Bush, government has not intervened the last 2 1/2 years. So do the UCLA geniuses have any idea why it isn't working this time?

8 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:00:02pm

re: #7 Naso Tang

So do the UCLA geniuses have any idea why it isn't working this time?

I noticed this paged article is nearly seven years old (the exact date on it is August 10, 2004). So, not exactly a pertinent analysis of today's events. The people who wrote it have regurgitated their views since, leading to this rebuttal:

The right-wing New Deal conniption fit

Defenders of the New Deal will find much to argue with in Cole and Ohanion's account, but for simplicity's sake, I am going to zero in on just one point -- the impact of the New Deal on unemployment.

Cole and Ohanian: "The goal of the New Deal was to get Americans back to work. But the New Deal didn't restore employment. In fact, there was even less work on average during the New Deal than before FDR took office."

How can one make this claim? Unemployment reached 25 percent in the Great Depression, and fell steadily until World War II...Ah, but the revisionist position is that unemployment did not fall as much as it should have. And this argument is based on an interesting interpretation of the available data. As Amity Shlaes...explained proudly in her own Wall Street Journal opinion piece in November, "The Krugman Recipe for Depression," a necessary step is to not count as employed those people in "temporary jobs in emergency programs."

That means, everyone who got a job during the Great Depression via the Works Progress Administration (WPA) or Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), or any other of Roosevelt's popular New Deal workfare programs, doesn't get counted as employed in the statistics used by Cole, Ohanian and Shlaes.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics :)

9 stuart3e  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:40:27pm

The professors claim that recovery from the Great Depression would have been very rapid except for the policies of FDR. Let's see, the depression started in 1929, FDR wasn't elected until 1932 and didn't take office until March 1933. By the Spring of 1937, industrial production had climbed back to 1929 levels. This is the date the profs claim which should have been the end of the GD. Then Roosevelt under pressure from Congressional conservatives attempted to balance the budget, shades of today's GOP. This led to a sharp downturn. Manufacturing fell by 37% and was back down to 1934 levels. From the press release it doesn't seem that the profs deal with the 1937 depression at all.

In fact, real GDP grew at an annual rate of around 9 percent during Roosevelt's first term and, after the 1937-38 dip, around 11 percent.

It should also be noted that sticky wages and prices have long been discussed by economists as a factor in the Great Depression and a reason why the notion of relying on the market to always self-adjust in not realistic.

10 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:17:16pm

re: #9 stuart3e

Oh, all your labor friendly talk is making me, as a consumer, want to stay home. You are just trying to sound like you care. Leave this up to people who have studied economics.

//

11 researchok  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 3:00:44am

Hindsight.

Makes those UCLA economists look brilliant.

Ask them about today though....

12 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:28:48am

re: #8 publicityStunted

Lies, damn lies, and statistics :)

Yes, and today's employment report is positive, slightly, with 117,000 jobs, but according to Republicans that is because people stopped looking for work, and therefore not out of work. Needless to say, one wonders how that factor is relevant this month but not every month.

Also, the real jobs increase was about 150,000 jobs. Guess where the 35,000 drop came from. The state governments, and the Federal hasn't started kicking in yet. Just what we need at this moment.//


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