Pages

Jump to bottom

3 comments

1 Samson  Sun, Aug 21, 2011 6:09:05pm

Israel has been bombarded by more than 60 rockets over the past few days since the initial terror attack in which several individuals, mostly civilians, were murdered. I don’t know of any country in the world, in fact, any country in history, that would not consider such attacks acts of war that deserve an appropriate response.

What is an appropriate response? I will remind everyone that when Britain was bombarded with V1 and V2 rockets from Nazi Germany during WWII, the British did not limit their response to something “proportionate”. No, the goal was to completely destroy Germany’s ability to wage aggressive war against Britain and the allies. The British (and Americans) were willing to do whatever to took to defeat Nazi Germany once and for all. This included the firebombing of Dresden and many other acts that would easily meet the modern definition of war crimes.

And let’s not forget about America’s response to Imperial Japan, the only time in history when nuclear weapons were used for military purposes.

I’m not suggesting that Israel intentionally target civilians as America and Britain did during WWII - or as Hamas and its associates are doing right now - or that Israel use weapons of mass destruction. I am, however, asking why Israel should not take whatever action is necessary to completely destroy the ability of the Hamas regime in Gaza to allow or to actively participate in terrorist acts within the state of Israel. In particular, I am wondering why Israel should tolerate even one more missile launched toward its people, and really, whether any government in the world would be expected to allow such a state of affairs to continue for even one more day.

Collective punishment? What about collective responsibility? The Hamas government was supposedly elected - democratically - to represent the people of Gaza. Whether they truly reflect the opinions of the average Gazan or not is largely irrelevant at this point - they rule Gaza and are ultimately responsible for what happens there. They can claim that the missiles and terror attacks are not really their fault or responsibility (which they are), but if that is the case (which it is not) they are not in control (which they are) and the various terrorist groups that operate within their domain need to be defeated anyway.

Yes, I know this is the middle east, which seems to operate on some kind of crazy and illogical set of rules that allow Israel’s enemies to attack and lose again and again with no negative consequences. And, of course, there is always the risk to Israel and the region in general of the unintended consequences of any military action. War is murder, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. But we are still human beings, and the need to defend oneself remains universally accepted.

Lastly, for those who will resort to the argument that the justification for the terrorism and rocket attacks is Israel’s cruel mistreatment of the Palestinians in Gaza - which I would dispute - I will merely remind you that Hamas has no interest in peaceful coexistence or negotiations and remains committed to the destruction of Israel. It’s in their charter, which is there for all the world to see.

So, to recap, Gaza is ruled by a “democratically elected” Hamas government which is committed to Israel’s destruction and has launched (or at very least, permitted) a series of terror attacks and missiles aimed at Israel’s civilian population. Why should Israel’s military not use every means possible to stop them and prevent further attacks?

2 Bob Levin  Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:52:34pm

re: #1 Samson

I think that Israel is doing all that it can do to prevent the attacks. The problem is that the tyrannical culture of both Gaza and the West Bank make it impossible to tell the difference between a person who is a murderer and one who is willing to live in respectful peace with Israel.

There are certainly Gazans and residents of the West Bank who can indeed live in peace (when we met them, they called themselves Jordanians). But they’ve got to keep very quiet for their survival.

The international community, however, the enlightened international community, encourages the cultures in Gaza and the West Bank that mirror Nazi Germany in every way. We know why, and it comes down to oil. Presently, in this world, there is an agreed upon price for Jewish life, which is slightly less than the going price of a barrel of oil.

Yet, this is not simply a Jewish problem, or an Israeli problem, because the history of the world is amply decorated with goods made from raw material gathered at the expense of human life. It just comes into clear focus when we talk about Israel.

And so Israel presses on with a sophisticated network of intelligence gathering, and research into medical advances and energy advances. Not to mention agricultural advances and doing everything possible to use water as efficiently as possible.

In my usual minority of one perspective, I also think that we need to make significant religious advances.

In other words, doing this job properly requires quite a bit more than the IDF.

3 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:30:46am

re: #1 Samson

Israel has been bombarded by more than 60 rockets over the past few days since the initial terror attack in which several individuals, mostly civilians, were murdered. I don’t know of any country in the world, in fact, any country in history, that would not consider such attacks acts of war that deserve an appropriate response.

What is an appropriate response? I will remind everyone that when Britain was bombarded with V1 and V2 rockets from Nazi Germany during WWII, the British did not limit their response to something “proportionate”. No, the goal was to completely destroy Germany’s ability to wage aggressive war against Britain and the allies. The British (and Americans) were willing to do whatever to took to defeat Nazi Germany once and for all. This included the firebombing of Dresden and many other acts that would easily meet the modern definition of war crimes.

And let’s not forget about America’s response to Imperial Japan, the only time in history when nuclear weapons were used for military purposes.

I’m not suggesting that Israel intentionally target civilians as America and Britain did during WWII - or as Hamas and its associates are doing right now - or that Israel use weapons of mass destruction. I am, however, asking why Israel should not take whatever action is necessary to completely destroy the ability of the Hamas regime in Gaza to allow or to actively participate in terrorist acts within the state of Israel. In particular, I am wondering why Israel should tolerate even one more missile launched toward its people, and really, whether any government in the world would be expected to allow such a state of affairs to continue for even one more day.

Collective punishment? What about collective responsibility? The Hamas government was supposedly elected - democratically - to represent the people of Gaza. Whether they truly reflect the opinions of the average Gazan or not is largely irrelevant at this point - they rule Gaza and are ultimately responsible for what happens there. They can claim that the missiles and terror attacks are not really their fault or responsibility (which they are), but if that is the case (which it is not) they are not in control (which they are) and the various terrorist groups that operate within their domain need to be defeated anyway.

Yes, I know this is the middle east, which seems to operate on some kind of crazy and illogical set of rules that allow Israel’s enemies to attack and lose again and again with no negative consequences. And, of course, there is always the risk to Israel and the region in general of the unintended consequences of any military action. War is murder, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. But we are still human beings, and the need to defend oneself remains universally accepted.

Lastly, for those who will resort to the argument that the justification for the terrorism and rocket attacks is Israel’s cruel mistreatment of the Palestinians in Gaza - which I would dispute - I will merely remind you that Hamas has no interest in peaceful coexistence or negotiations and remains committed to the destruction of Israel. It’s in their charter, which is there for all the world to see.

So, to recap, Gaza is ruled by a “democratically elected” Hamas government which is committed to Israel’s destruction and has launched (or at very least, permitted) a series of terror attacks and missiles aimed at Israel’s civilian population. Why should Israel’s military not use every means possible to stop them and prevent further attacks?

Requoted for truth and an excellent post.


This page has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2016-01-01 10:29 am PST
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds Tweet

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Square Cash Shop at amazon
as an LGF Associate!
Recent PagesClick to refresh
At Least 30,000 U.S. Organizations Newly Hacked via Holes in Microsoft’s Email Software — Krebs on Security At least 30,000 organizations across the United States — including a significant number of small businesses, towns, cities and local governments — have over the past few days been hacked by an unusually aggressive Chinese cyber espionage unit that’s ...
Thanos
1 day, 12 hours ago
Views: 312 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 5 •
How It Is - Walk Off the Earth (Live) Stream or Download Here: goldencarrot.lnk.toSubscribe here! bit.lyWatch and listen to our Greatest Hits!: bit.lyWOTE merch available here: walkofftheearth.myshopify.comCatch WOTE live! CLICK HERE FOR TICKETS: goo.gl Walk off the Earth perform their new single How It Is live off the ...
Thanos
1 day, 19 hours ago
Views: 287 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 2 •
St. Vincent - Pay Your Way in Pain (Official Video) Pre-order/save the new album Daddy's Home, out May 14th: lnk.ilovestvincent.comListen to "Pay Your Way In Pain": lnk.ilovestvincent.com A Triple Seven Pictures ProductionDirected by Bill BenzProduced by Wes HagerDirector of Photography by Kyle PahlowStyled by Avigail CollinsHair by Pamela NealMakeup ...
Thanos
1 day, 19 hours ago
Views: 279 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 •
Leon Bridges, Keite Young - Like a Ship (Official Audio) Leon Bridges is proud to support the Truth To Power Project. Learn more and donate here: truthtopowerproject.com Official audio for "Like a Ship" by Leon Bridges & Keite Young. Listen & Download “Like a Ship" out now: leonbridges.lnk.to Amazon ...
Thanos
4 days, 1 hour ago
Views: 444 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 2 •
Lake Street Dive Covers Carole King’s ‘So Far Away’ to Salute 50th Anniversary of ‘Tapestry’ Lake Street Dive a new arrangement of the classic King track on the eve of "Tapestry" hitting the half-century mark in February 2021. The group has proudly worn its Carole King influence on its collective sleeve, asking if the ...
Thanos
4 days, 1 hour ago
Views: 450 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 4 •
#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210228Saturday we put together the temporary auxiliary filter.Thanks to the electric sump pump, it runs about 12-14 hours a day, sunny or not.Since it’s flowing through a garden hose, it runs about ¼ of its capacity.That happens to match the ...
Dangerman
4 days, 18 hours ago
Views: 500 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 3
Tweets: 0 •
Lord Huron - Not Dead Yet (Live on Jimmy Kimmel Live!) “Not Dead Yet” (Live on Jimmy Kimmel Live!) Stream/Download “Not Dead Yet” here: lordhuron.lnk.to Tickets, season passes, and merch for Alive From Whispering Pines Livestream Series available at lordhuron.com​ Connect with Lord Huron:lordhuron.com​facebook.comtwitter.com instagram.com Lyrics: All messed up, with ...
Thanos
4 days, 22 hours ago
Views: 557 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 •
I Wrote a Book, Check It Out and Pre-Order It!I recently completed my first novel entitled, "Blind Spot." You can find the link here. Take a look and if you like what you see, go ahead and pre-order it. inkshares.com
rhoffman
5 days, 13 hours ago
Views: 562 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 5 •
Pino Palladino + Blake Mills + Sam Gendel - Djurkel (Live) Pre-order the new album “Notes With Attachments” available March 12: pinoblake.lnk.to Shop merch: blakemills.lnk.to Follow Pino:Instagram: pinopalladino.lnk.toFacebook: pinopalladino.lnk.toTwitter: pinopalladino.lnk.toSpotify: pinopalladino.lnk.to Tidal: pinopalladino.lnk.to Amazon: pinopalladino.lnk.to Pandora: pinopalladino.lnk.to YouTube Music: pinopalladino.lnk.to Follow Blake:Instagram: blakemills.lnk.toTwitter: blakemills.lnk.toSpotify: blakemills.lnk.toApple Music: blakemills.lnk.toAmazon: blakemills.lnk.toSoundcloud: blakemills.lnk.toPandora: blakemills.lnk.toYouTube ...
Thanos
6 days, 22 hours ago
Views: 984 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 2 •
Molly Tuttle, Sierra Hull, Sarah Jarosz -Salt CreekMolly Tuttle, Sierra Hull and Sarah Jarosz playing "Salt Creek" during the Music City Bandwidth's virtual show from The East Room in Nashville on October 15, 2020
Thanos
6 days, 22 hours ago
Views: 614 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 •