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1 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:21:06am

My son has started a "green business" down in Florida. He installs solar cells, solar panels, and sells appliances that run off solar cells.

2 laZardo  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:22:43am
Only the most insane fool could deny the clear and present danger and the terrible human cost. The effects are already very grim. If we do not change course, the effects are utterly catastrophic.

Only the most insane fools will win votes now. Best to start preparing for the inevitable.

3 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:24:48am

re: #1 Alouette

My son has started a "green business" down in Florida. He installs solar cells, solar panels, and sells appliances that run off solar cells.

Nods with great approval. It is always nice to hear about people doing the right thing.

4 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:25:27am

re: #2 laZardo

Only the most insane fools will win votes now. Best to start preparing for the inevitable.

If you are correct about that then we fail the Darwin test. We would literally be too stupid to live.

5 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:25:40am

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Did you see the email I sent about Franke James, and what Stephen "Oil Tick" Harper did to her?

6 laZardo  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:27:30am

re: #4 LudwigVanQuixote

If you are correct about that then we fail the Darwin test. We would literally be too stupid to live.

Considering that the stupid outbreed the smart, then that's not exactly a farfetched possibility.

7 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:30:26am

re: #5 publicityStunted

Did you see the email I sent about Franke James, and what Stephen "Oil Tick" Harper did to her?

Not yet and I am so sorry. Please forgive me. I will check that out today.

8 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:32:04am

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Nods with great approval. It is always nice to hear about people doing the right thing.

Pray he is successful. Starting a new business is always tough.

9 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:33:49am

re: #8 Alouette

Pray he is successful. Starting a new business is always tough.

I will add him to my Shimona Esrei when I pray for parnassa.

10 dragonfire1981  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:37:27am

Somewhat timely posting this as Hurricane Irene heads for Florida.

11 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:38:39am

re: #10 dragonfire1981

Somewhat timely posting this as Hurricane Irene heads for Florida.

Hurricane frequency and intensity are also up.

12 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:42:19am

re: #10 dragonfire1981

Somewhat timely posting this as Hurricane Irene heads for Florida.

And the GOP does even more to gut weather monitoring!

Specifically the bill would:

Slash nearly 50 percent of the funding for the Integrated Ocean Observing System which provides information critical to weather forecasting and long-term monitoring data sets.

Yee-haw! We don't need none of them fancy elitist satellites when we done gots Teh Good Lord lookin' out fer us!

13 laZardo  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:44:40am

I don't remember if you saw this, but my thesis was an aquatic cleanup vessel specifically designed to be deployed during flood situations. While the inspiration was from Typhoon Ketsana, I believe that with the right development it can become a post-AGW high tide garbage boat.

14 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:45:19am

re: #12 publicityStunted

And the GOP does even more to gut weather monitoring!

You need to make that into its own page Pub...

15 Hal_10000  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:51:00am

Um, we have not seen a tripling of tornados; we have seen a tripling in detection because of increased monitoring and massive upgrades in weather stations. The increased costs is also mainly because we have more property, period, therefore more property to destroy. The deadliest hurricane in American history -- the 1900 Galveston -- would kill far fewer people now but cause exponentially more property damage.

I'm not disputing the danger of AGW. But the facts you site need some context.

16 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:55:21am

re: #9 LudwigVanQuixote

I will add him to my Shimona Esrei when I pray for parnassa.

He has the same name as you. :)

17 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 11:50:45am

re: #15 Hal_10000

Since the seventies there has been sufficient Doppler radar and satellite coverage that the effect you mention about tornado frequency does not apply. However, your point is valid for the 1950's and 1960's.

It was worth correcting. Thank you for your input.

18 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:08:11pm

re: #15 Hal_10000

As to your other point though about more people so the damages are greater, well yes and no, because storm frequency, drought frequency and severity etc.. really are increasing and would hit whether or not people were there to be hit.

In either case the real damage in terms of loss of life and property is what it is.

19 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:59:42pm

re: #6 laZardo

Considering that the stupid outbreed the smart, then that's not exactly a farfetched possibility.

That's not been the historical norm. Over the long sweep of history, it's been the other way around. Maybe even now, all things considered and averaged over the entire planet.

There is some literature on the topic. Economist story from 2005
abstract of the paper in question.


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