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1 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:56:14pm

The article forgot the main problem responsible for the mess, the Dawes Act and Dawes Rolls.

Indian Country politics are so f'ed up (as well as f'ed over), especially the Cherokee Nation's.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

2 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:34:13pm

Sounds like the Cherokee chief is a racist and a crook.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Smith's administration is not without controversy. The Cherokee Nation admitted to hiring lobbyist Jack Abramoff after the Smith administration vehemently denied it.[5] Records show that CNE paid Abramoff a total of $120,000.

In 2006, Smith was under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the FBI due to his dealings with GEG through Cherokee Nation Enterprises. Allegations included the misuse of federal loan monies, and backdating of loan documents.

I don't know why the Freedmen want to be members of a group that don't want them. They should move to a place like ATL, NY or Houston with lots of good looking black people and have themselves a good time. Oh, and whatever you do don't read the comments on Yahoo. It's a cesspool.

3 wee fury  Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:28:51pm

Article from March 2007 gives more info:[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

4 Cankles McCellulite  Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:58:57pm

re: #2 moderatelyradicalliberal

re: #2 moderatelyradicalliberal

Not all Cherokees feel that way. There are liberal Cherokee as well as very religious right Cherokee's.
When the Cherokee made peace with America, After fighting against them during the Revolution -They had a lot of reason to believe the men behind the revolution, who were mostly land speculators, didn't care as much about democracy as they did the lands that England was keeping them away from-They had already been intermarrying with white southerners for a long long time. The two cultures were really becoming one but the one thing the white southerners wanted the Cherokee to do to prove they truly were civilized was partake in African slavery because to white southerners, African slavery was the height of civilization. Plus they wanted to make sure the Cherokees would quit being a haven to runaway slaves.
After several generations, some of the Cherokee, especially the white Cherokees -those who were mostly white or who were raised by a white Father-who taught them that Indians and whites were superior to blacks-believed much the same way as most all slavers.
There is still a strong strand of that in the Cherokee nation.
But again, Not all Cherokee feel this way, and many Cherokee HATE Chief Chad Smith

5 Cankles McCellulite  Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:59:47pm

re: #2 moderatelyradicalliberal

HA! a name so nice i had to post it twice!

6 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:18:30pm
All I want in this Creation,
is a pretty, little wife,
and a big plantation.
way up north in the Cherokee Nation.

A popular song in Georgia before The Trail of Tears.

7 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:04:17pm

re: #2 moderatelyradicalliberal

Sounds like the Cherokee chief is a racist and a crook.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I don't know why the Freedmen want to be members of a group that don't want them. They should move to a place like ATL, NY or Houston with lots of good looking black people and have themselves a good time. Oh, and whatever you do don't read the comments on Yahoo. It's a cesspool.

Chad Smith is a dumb, conservative bigot.

Cherokee Nation politics suck...If my next DNA test can suss out that "Indian blood" (supposedly almost a quarter, according to the first one) I hope none of it's from the 5 civilized tribes. If any is from Cherokee Nation Cherokees, I'm going to write them and tell them to go eff off.

8 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:40:37am

The "Five Civilized Tribes" fought in the Civil War on the side of the Confederacy.

9 Cankles McCellulite  Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:22:51am

re: #8 Alouette

The civil war, which they couldn't avoid because they were forced to make a choice, split the nations. The Nations were made up of pro slavery factions and a very vocal anti slavery faction. A large part of their economy was tied to slavery at this point. On top of that, the south had promised them large parts of their old homelands in the east back. However that didn't persuade everyone. When the war was over, war broke out in the Cherokee nation between pro south factions and pro north factions.
The Eastern Cherokee, the ones who refused to leave, started out as Pro-south after being romanced with propaganda by the Confederacy, but then switched to the Union after they realized they were on the wrong side of the war.

10 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:35:17am

re: #9 Cankles McCellulite

The civil war, which they couldn't avoid because they were forced to make a choice, split the nations. The Nations were made up of pro slavery factions and a very vocal anti slavery faction. A large part of their economy was tied to slavery at this point. On top of that, the south had promised them large parts of their old homelands in the east back. However that didn't persuade everyone. When the war was over, war broke out in the Cherokee nation between pro south factions and pro north factions.
The Eastern Cherokee, the ones who refused to leave, started out as Pro-south after being romanced with propaganda by the Confederacy, but then switched to the Union after they realized they were on the wrong side of the war.

It gets quite complex, including a split along class lines within the Cherokee:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

11 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 25, 2011 10:28:07pm

re: #2 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don't know why the Freedmen want to be members of a group that don't want them.

Lol that can be said of all Black people in America, in any given era.

It's not the Freedmen's ancestors fault the stupid Dawes Act couldn't properly account for them, and it's not the Freedmen's fault the Chad Smith ancestors of the world enslaved them, either. It's not like the Cherokee Nation, Seminole, Creek, etc., weren't already jerked around enough.

They lost, but I'm glad the Freedmen gave it a good fight when the nations' politicians took out their wish-i-was-white aggressions on them.


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