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1 freetoken  Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:16:54pm

You do realize that you've just enshrined a government program, Social Security, as part of the covenant known as The Constitution of the United States?

Also, item 7 sets a dangerous precedent, that contracts entered legally can be revoked later merely because of one of the parties happen to holds an elected office.

2 mikiesmoky2  Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:07:57pm

re: #1 freetoken

REGARDING: You do realize that you've just enshrined a government program, Social Security, as part of the covenant known as The Constitution of the United States?
RESPONSE: Whereas I appreciate your critique, the purpose of my offering this was to promote and share this with others.
I did not edit the proposal.
Such a "proposed" amendment can, of course, be fine tuned to be the most effective and correct.

REGARDING: Also, item 7 sets a dangerous precedent, that contracts entered legally can be revoked later merely because of one of the parties happen to holds an elected office.
RESPONSE: There's a concept of "clawback". Congress has promulgated legislation which has benefited the members, themselves, to the detriment of its constituents.
There are situations that contracts can and should be abrogated and this might fall into that category.

NOTE: I am very sorry that you didn't opine regarding the substance of the proposed amendment.
Are you an attorney?
Form over substance?

Thanks,

mz

3 Claire  Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:05:28pm

Term limits are the only thing that's going to save us.

4 Gus  Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:35:51pm

Please. This is some ridiculous viral e-mail. Read this:

Snopes - 28th Amendment (Mostly False)

Factcheck - Congressional Reform Act
Q: What about the "Congressional Reform Act of 2011"?
A: A viral e-mail calls for fixing some abuses and excesses that don’t exist, repeating misinformed claims that we’ve addressed before...

"Void all contracts"? Past and present? Right, that sure sounds legal.

5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Aug 25, 2011 10:27:07pm

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6 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Aug 25, 2011 10:30:51pm

re: #2 mikiesmoky2

REGARDING: Your chain letter

RESPONSE: PLEASE CLICK HERE FOR YOUR RESPONSE

7 mikiesmoky2  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:00:15am

re: #3 Claire

Term limits are the only thing that's going to save us.

re: #3 Claire

Term limits are the only thing that's going to save us.

Claire, whereas you may be correct, I believe our salvation lies in our representatives and senators finding the requisite integrity to represent the interests of their constituents, not their "clients", their parties, or their own agendas.

It may read like I am smoking something, but some fantasies do come true.

Regardless of the accuracy of this apparently confused "writing", the underlying perception of the frustration with our leaders is stark.

We are where we are, in no small part (massive understatement!!), because of Congress.

The import of this offering is to awaken us to inequities promulgated by Congress.

Congress legislates, not the President, nor the judicial branch of government.

The Federal Reserve only controls monetary policy and the “Bernank” has used his toolbox so extensively because Congress has refused to legislate appropriate fiscal changes.

Another fantasy is the hope that Bernanke, in his speech this morning, will admonish Congress for its inane and irresponsible lack of appropriate fiscal legislation.

He could be our hero, but although I will maintain my fantasy, I will not hold my breath or place a substantial bet on such a heroic move.

Thank you,

mz

8 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:40:47am

re: #7 mikiesmoky2

I AWAIT YOUR RESPONSE, SIR, MADAM, OR INTERNET GOOBERTARTAR


THANK YOU,

WINDUPBETTERTHANYOU

9 mikiesmoky2  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 4:04:23am

re: #4 Gus 802

[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

My responses are in CAPS.

This latest rant against Congress has been circulating since the start of the year, urging passage of a "reform act" to correct abuses of power by Congress. But as we often find with these chain messages, the author doesn’t know very much about the subject.
WHEREAS THAT APPEARS TRUE, IT DOESN’T NEGATE THE UNDERLYING FRUSTRATION WITH CONGRESS.

He or she (the author is anonymous, of course) repeats a number of false claims that we have debunked before. The author:
· Demands that members of Congress be forced to "participate in Social Security." But members of Congress already participate, paying Social Security payroll taxes just like nearly every other worker. Once upon a time that wasn’t true, but members of Congress were brought under Social Security way back in 1984. Yet bogus claims like this continue to circulate more than a quarter-century later, despite our best efforts.
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY RETIREMENT BENEFITS OTHER THAN THOSE FROM SOCIAL SECURITY.

· Calls for stripping members of Congress of their current health care benefits and forcing them to participate "in the same health care system as the American people." But which "system"? Most Americans are covered either by employer-sponsored health insurance or by various government-sponsored programs, such as Medicare for those age 65 and over or Medicaid for lower-income persons. Currently members of Congress have the same health insurance options as millions of other federal employees and retirees and their families. The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program gives them a wide choice of private insurance plans. And according to the U.S. Census Bureau, nearly 51 million persons in the U.S. had no health insurance at all in 2009 — just under 17 percent of the population. (The author may have been laboring under the false impression that Congress somehow "exempted" itself from the new health care law, a bit of nonsense that was based on a number of misrepresentations that we addressed last year.) GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES (FEDERAL, STATE, AND MUNICIPAL) ENJOY A BENEFITS (INCLUDING RETIREMENTS) BUBBLE, WHICH MUST BE ADDRESSED.

· Urges that members of Congress should "purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do." But that’s also nonsense. Relatively few Americans buy retirement plans entirely out of their own pockets. In fact, just under half of all Americans worked in 2009 for an employer that sponsors a retirement plan, according to the most recent information from the Employee Benefit Research Institute. And among those who worked full time for the entire year, 54 percent actually participated in an employer-sponsored plan. About 12 percent are self-employed, EBRI says, and so may be in a position to buy a retirement plan for themselves. But 27 percent had incomes of under $10,000 that year, too little to be putting much if anything away for retirement. GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES (FEDERAL, STATE, AND MUNICIPAL) ENJOY A BENEFITS (INCLUDING RETIREMENTS) BUBBLE, WHICH MUST BE ADDRESSED.

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10 mikiesmoky2  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 4:05:44am

re: #9 mikiesmoky2

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· The author of this message advocates setting 12-year term limits on members of Congress, saying they "should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work." It also calls for voiding "all contracts" with past and present members of Congress, which may be a clumsy way of calling for cutting off all pension and health care benefits even for those who have already retired. (We’re not sure what "contracts" this person was thinking of.) Those are all opinions, with which readers may choose to agree or disagree. We take no position either way. What we do say is that the author argues for these opinions by making factual claims that betray a profound ignorance of the system he or she proposes to "reform."
GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES (FEDERAL, STATE, AND MUNICIPAL) ENJOY A BENEFITS (INCLUDING RETIREMENTS) BUBBLE, WHICH MUST BE ADDRESSED.

11 mikiesmoky2  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 4:11:19am

re: #5 WindUpBird

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Apparently, you are attempting to relive your childhood, offering that your teachers often had you writing on the blackboard for your foolish activities.

How does it feel to act like a child?

Childish?

Okay..., I can see that.


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