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1 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 4:45:57pm
I find it illogical to condemn them for what they did to Jesus.

But they didn't do anything to Jesus.

2 Buck  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 5:04:53pm

re: #1 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

But they didn't do anything to Jesus.

Correct... Jesus (who not only was Jewish, but also born into the Jewish priest sect, a Cohen, so he was related to me) died on a cross. There is no history of Jews using a cross to kill anyone. However history does show a lot of Jews killed by Romans on crosses.

I have a strong suspicion that Romans killed Jesus. I however would not blame modern day Romans....

3 RoadWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:17:25pm

The New Testament is pretty clear that Pontius Pilate killed Jesus. The New Testament is incorrect that there was any Roman custom of allowing the Jews to free a prisoner on Passover...the Romans gave no such judicial authority to their conquered lands...a ridiculous concept in the Roman Empire. The New Testament tried to exonerate the Romans and blame the Jews in order to distinguish Christians from Jews (there was absolutely no distinction in the 1st 50 years of Christianity) in order to escape Roman persecution of the Jews in the wake of the failed Jewish revolt against Rome for independence. The Christians wanted to show they no longer blamed Rome or considered Rome their enemy...and that they, the Christians, should not be considered as Jews.

The reason Rome killed Jesus was his claim to be Messiah, which was treason to Rome, as it required him to take the kingship of Judea from the Roman appointee, at one point, famously, Herod. This is why the Romans mocked Jesus by placing the letters "INRI" above him on the cross, the acronym standing for "Jesus of Nazareth, King (Rex) of the Jews." They were basically saying to the Jews "You want a Messiah King? Here he is, a dead want to be next?"

In 1965, in acknowledgement of these plain truths, the Vatican passed "Vatican II", which concurred with the above attribution of fault for the death of Jesus.

Jesus could not be a priest in the Jewish religion, as only the son of a male descendant of Aaron could be a priest.

Joseph is claimed to be a descendant of David, which is central to the claim of Jesus being Messiah. According to the Jewish religion, the Messiah must be a direct male-line descendant of David. David is not a descendant of Aaron. David is from the tribe of Judah. Aaron is from the tribe of Levi.

4 Buck  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:35:22pm

Well I suspect we will never know for sure (and clearly it was a bit of a throwaway line), however many Jews claim that Jesus is a Kohen, a priest.

My point is that he was a Jew.

5 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:42:24pm
Put another way: If Jews HADN'T killed Jesus, what would the world look like today?

Well, Jews didn't kill Jesus.

But a much better question would be, what would the world look like without this 1800 y/o antisemitic canard?

6 RoadWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:46:21pm

I have heard some Jews say that Jesus was a rabbi. I have never heard any Jews claim that Jesus was a Cohen. And this would contradict the New Testament claim that Joseph was from the tribe of Judah.

Some people claim that Jesus had a brother, James, with a different father and that Mary was from the tribe of Levi and was a Cohen, however, neither of these two items, if true, could have the effect of making Jesus a Cohen. I cannot comment on the accuracy of these claims, however, they have no bearing on whether Jesus could have been a Cohen.

Still others claim Jesus fulfilled the same role of the Cohen, priest, by causing sins to be forgiven, however this claim is based upon an analogy, not a claim that Jesus was a member of the Cohen line.

Apologies, Buck, to discuss a minor point at length, however, all factual inaccuracies require correction.

7 Buck  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:08:00pm

re: #6 RoadWarrior

I have never heard any Jews claim that Jesus was a Cohen. And this would contradict the New Testament claim that Joseph was from the tribe of Judah.

Well, there are a lot of Jews that would have no problem contradicting many points in the New Testament.

However, it really doesn't matter... like I say it was a throwaway line.

8 sffilk  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:46:25pm

Blaming of the Jews for the death of Jesus has gone on so long that even Vatican II couldn't convince all good Christians (and even bad Christians) to change their minds.

Considering that most of the preconditions for the coming of the Messiah were NOT met by Jesus's coming, but then, why let something as trivial as the actual writing of the Bible . . . you know?

9 RoadWarrior  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 2:24:50pm

Buck, it's OK to contradict long it has a logical foundation, whether with facts or reason.

Anyway, thank you for clarifying that it was a throwaway line.

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