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1 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 11:41:10pm

I must send this to my father. He’s on a number of websites with people who go in for this sort of ‘give me that old time religion, oh how I hate Vatican II’ types.

I understand people who reject science because their church tells them to. I don’t like it, but I get what the problem is. But when the scientists are saying something, and the leaders of a hierarchical faith are backing them up, WHAT is a person’s excuse for this nonsense?

2 Ghost of a Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 11:52:29pm

WOW. If i could have made that wow bigger i would have.
Isn’t this the group that Mel Gibson’s father belongs to? Or is that a different group that also rejects the modern reforms?
I almost choked on a corn chip when i got to the Ken Ham part.

3 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:18:36am

I’m not sure if the Gibsons are SSPX or some other ‘Traditionalist’ group.

SSPX is off its rocker.

4 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:27:05am

There seem to be a small group of people who’s brains need a simple world. Good people, Bad people. Black vs White, North vs. South,

They can’t grasp or comprehend that most of the world is somewhere in between the two poles, we live in shades of gray.

For those who don’t understand color theory —it takes three opposing colors from the color wheel to make gray —Black and White are not colors, but degrees of “light”.

5 Three Chord Monty  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:06:11am

Just what I needed to stumble upon before hitting the sack! Good grief. Now I will toss and turn until I capitulate & go read angelqueen for a good solid dose of irrationality to color my dreams.

6 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:08:15am

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

I’d say that their religion is different from mainstream Catholicism. They’re denying the primacy of science in determining what the natural world is like.

Just as most US Catholics differ from the Catholic church on a number of positions, so do these people. Except these people are nuts.

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:40:03am

Sungenis is a well-known antisemite - [Link: www.sungenisandthejews.com…]

These things go hand in hand. Marshall Hall who is fundie Protestant that runs [Link: www.fixedearth.com…] is also an antisemite and a Holocaust denier.

8 docproto48  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:58:26am

Do they believe the world is flat also??

They could follow the example of other fundamentalists and modernize to current physics by saying that that day the sun stood still was when the orbits established their current pattern….guess I shouldn’t give them ideas.

This goes back to my beef with the literal. Obvious the writer (as opposed to the author, a whole other philosophical discussion) was so self centered that the entire universe did revolve around him. Again, figuratively speaking only.

I can’t get the spel checker to wor

9 John Vreeland  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:43:13am

I have been arguing with one of these (Anthony Pagano) for some time now on the talk.origins newsgroup on Usenet. He has a powerful argument which involves sticking his head in the sand when I point out any flaws in his reasoning. Yesterday he made a list of all the arguments proving the Earth rotates and declared that none of them proves that the Earth is NOT at the center of the Universe. The implied conclusion, of course, is that the Earth MUST be at the center, but I felt compelled to point out that an equally valid conclusion is that Anthony Pagano is at the center of the Universe, which I thought might please him better.

10 aagcobb  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:53:03am

re: #2 Cankles McCellulite

WOW. If i could have made that wow bigger i would have.
Isn’t this the group that Mel Gibson’s father belongs to? Or is that a different group that also rejects the modern reforms?
I almost choked on a corn chip when i got to the Ken Ham part.

When Ken Ham is quoted as the voice of reason, it has to be one of the signs of the Apocalypse.

11 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:09:12am

One of the very simple activities that I have the kids do when we study astronomy is to draw, with sidewalk chalk, both the Copernican Universe and the Galilean Universe, and then make them walk it.

The epicycles are a hoot. The poor kids have to sit down until the world stops spinning.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:02:55am

re: #6 Obdicut

I’d say that their religion is different from mainstream Catholicism. They’re denying the primacy of science in determining what the natural world is like.

Just as most US Catholics differ from the Catholic church on a number of positions, so do these people. Except these people are nuts.

Point well taken. Many US Catholics diverge from Church teachings in some things because they find that the thinking of the mainstream Protestant/secular American culture is more appropriate to their lives and needs in some things.

These guys do the same thing, except that instead of wanting to be more like Presbyterians and use birth control, they want to be more like Bryan Fischer, and believe that the earth is flat, and the Bible can be reduced to its most literal interpretation.

I just understand wanting to use birth control more. Also, the first group has never appointed its own Pope.

I love the baffled quote from the Vatican astronomer. “Who are these people? I don’t get it. Is it some kind of performance art?”

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:15:15am

re: #11 EmmmieG

One of the very simple activities that I have the kids do when we study astronomy is to draw, with sidewalk chalk, both the Copernican Universe and the Galilean Universe, and then make them walk it.

The epicycles are a hoot. The poor kids have to sit down until the world stops spinning.

That’s a great class activity. (Makes notes.)

The only time I’ve ever had to teach Copernicus and Galileo, it was in a history class for ninth graders. Several kids openly rejected the lesson on the grounds that I was trying to get them not to believe in God, which is what ‘science’ meant to them.

Bad, bad day.

14 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:34:54am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

That is the perfect quote. The Catholic Church is the object of so much artistic representation they must have a rather different view on things.


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