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1 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:14:33pm

If so, it wouldn’t be the first time CNN has found something Charles brought to the world and then failed to credit him.

2 nines09  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:23:55pm

To answer the question; OF COURSE IT DOES.
“The Daily Beast reports that both Bachmann and Perry appear to have ties to groups that support Dominionism.”
Now that is cracker jack reporting. Just appears? Might be? Dig a little deeper there, Sparky. If it had teeth, you’d be bit by now.

3 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:41:54pm
Does it worry you if both Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have ties to Dominionism?

It does, and it doesn’t. I really need to put up that recent post I started and never finished on “dominionism”/NAR. I’m glad for the msm attention on them in the past couple weeks (finally), but I know some people, and am one myself, who have been studying these people for years. The best take on it, imo, has come from Sarah Posner at Salon, another who has been writing on the NAR, forever.

She has another post up today at Religion Dispatches, her usual perch, that interviews Anthea Butler, a Pentecostal herself. Worth reading: Beyond Alarmism and Denial in the Dominionism Debate

It “worries” me in the same way as any nasty crop of socons trying to impose their smug, miserable way of life on my person, though there is nothing new about that.

It also doesn’t worry me, though, because I came from it and understand them to be just the 2nd generation of Moral Majority/Christian Coalition types. There is very little difference in rhetoric, goals, even the same kind of Christianity.

Nothing they’ve said is much of a deviation from the crap TBN and Pat Robertson have been spewing on television for 40 years. Also, that Perry/The Response crud was sponsored by the AFA, which has been around since the 70s. Rachel Tabachnik (probably the top NAR researcher these days) hit the roof today about it, but I agree to some extent with Lisa Miller’s water-throwing commentary in WaPo to some extent: they are the same people and there’s little new about them.

If I worry about anything it’s people either misrendering them out of handwringing, or just laughing them off like people did the MM/CC in the 80s-00s. That would be a mistake, but it would not be the first time.

4 JEA62  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:54:34pm

Involved in it?

They sponsored “The Response” and were the most prominent speakers. And Perry’s associations with them go back many years and are much more than casual. Bachmann’s are just as deep. If you were concerned about Obama and Jeremiah Wright, you ought to be even more concerned about these two as well as Palin.

True believers and political power are never a good combination. Ask the Germans. (Yes, I AM equating the two.)

These people are dangerous - they’ve got the ears of the GOP. Especially in this time of deep economic distress. I see the parallels between this type of conservatism and the fascist, populist political movement of the 30s. This is their appeal - masquerading themselves as mainstream populists. And they talk about morality but have an ‘any ends justify the means’ mentality.

Do NOT discount them. Do NOT underestimate how dedicated they are to their cause or how dangerous they are.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:21:31pm

There should be no religious tests in American civic life.

6 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:07:13pm

re: #5 EmmmieG

There should be no religious tests in American civic life.

One day, perhaps.

7 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:36:34pm

I might be the guy arguing to downplay some candidates religion in some other thread some time. I have a strong respect for religious freedom, including our leaders.

But not this time. Given the doctrine combined with the obvious loyalty and motivation it just goes too far, too deep. It’s not as if they even lift a pinky finger to distance their policy from the religion. In my view that is the key difference.


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