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1 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 7:33:11am

I can never hear the phrase ‘American Dream’ without thinking of this scene.

2 jc717  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 11:28:05am

He still doesn’t get it right… the top tax rate one the rich is 15%… long term cap gains, dividends, and carried interest make up a vast portion of the earning of the top .01%. No one in that range pays anywhere near 35%

3 mr.fusion  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 11:39:24am
I’m very much pro capitalism, but I also recognize that it must be balanced via mixed economy mechanisms or it runs out of control.

No need to add a disclaimer. Contrary to popular (Republican) belief, smart and tough regulations help capitalism, not hinder it.

I think of it along the lines of traffic laws. The government tells you what kind of car you can drive (no golf carts or NASCAR’s on public roads), they tell you how fast you can drive, when you can drive, where you can drive, when you must allow other drivers in front of you, etc etc etc……no one calls this Socialism, and no one would argue that our roadways would be less clogged and function better without these rules.

So why is the economy any different?

4 researchok  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 1:25:27pm

I’m very sympathetic to the idea, but defining ‘rich’ remains problematic. Theuber rich are easy to identify- the middle class,not so easy.

Who decides?

5 jaunte  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 1:32:55pm

re: #4 researchok

This “L-Curve” chart may be helpful in determining the dividing line between rich and poor; wealth seems to be concentrated in an extreme way after about $300,000 in yearly income.

The red line represents a graph of family income across the population. The height of the curve at any point is the height of a stack of $100 bills equalling that income. The US population is represented along the length of the football field, arranged in order of income. Median US family income (the family at the 50 yard line) is ~$40,000 (a stack of $100 bills 1.6 inches high.) The family on the 95 yard line earns about $100,000 per year, a stack of $100 bills about 4 inches high. At the 99 yard line the income is about $300,000, a stack of $100 bills about a foot high. The curve reaches $1 million (a 40 inch high stack of $100 bills) one foot from the goal line. From there it keeps going up…it goes up 50 km (~30 miles) on this scale.
lcurve.org

6 sagehen  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 1:42:35pm

re: #4 researchok

I’m very sympathetic to the idea, but defining ‘rich’ remains problematic. Theuber rich are easy to identify- the middle class,not so easy.

Who decides?

I’ll decide.

Less than half the median is poor. Half the median is lower middle class. From slightly below the median to 3 times median is middle class. 3-5 times the median is upper middle class. Anything over five times the median is rich. Anything over five times rich is ultra-rich or mega-rich.

(I’ll even allow for income-averaging — if it’s your first year making ultra after years of playing small clubs and running up the credit cards, you’re not really ultra yet. Not until you’ve made that much for two or three years. And if it’s your first year earning in the poor range, but you’ve still got the car and clothes and house that you used to be able to afford when you were taking home more, you’re not poor yet.)

7 aagcobb  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 7:01:57pm

re: #4 researchok

I’m very sympathetic to the idea, but defining ‘rich’ remains problematic. Theuber rich are easy to identify- the middle class,not so easy.

Who decides?

That is what Congress is for. If we don’t like their decisions, we can vote them out of office.

8 researchok  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 9:55:52pm

re: #6 sagehen

I see. You’ll decide.

So If I work harder than you, put in more hours or assume more debt getting an education so I can be successful, you’ll penalize me.

Seems to me you want to see redistribution of wealth.

I can understand why you want to be the one to decide.

9 mr.fusion  Mon, Sep 5, 2011 7:02:46am

re: #8 researchok

I see. You’ll decide.

So If I work harder than you, put in more hours or assume more debt getting an education so I can be successful, you’ll penalize me.

Seems to me you want to see redistribution of wealth.

I can understand why you want to be the one to decide.

Where the hell does it say that bigger paycheck = harder working and more successful?????????

Does a hedge fund manager work harder than a Kindergarten teacher? Does Lebron James work harder than your local firefighters?


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