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1 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 8, 2011 7:03:16am

With Huntsman also going derpy Randian derp on economic plans, the GOP has entirely sold themselves to fiscal insanity. They don't even bother making the argument. They assert we tax too much. It's an emotional argument. It's a cynical argument, since these people know their history and they know the US has prospered in times with much, much higher taxes. They lie, constantly, and for what end? To stay in office? To get a gig on a corporate board after their time in office is up? For money?

It's pathetic. I was always uncomfortable with some aspects of the GOP, but when Bush the elder called Reaganomics "voodoo economics" i hoped they were turning their back on Ayn Rand. Turns out they were just putting on their makeup and getting ready to go steady with her.

I'm not sure the nation can really survive this.

2 mr.fusion  Thu, Sep 8, 2011 10:04:07am

Good thread and great first post....don't really have too much to add

I'm just appalled that facts don't seem to matter anymore. If it were fact that tax cuts for the wealthy were more stimulative than unemployment benefits, then I would be all for that approach. The facts show that is not the case.

If it were a fact that regulation and taxes were strangling businesses, I'd be all in favor of reducing both. The facts show that is not the case.

3 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Thu, Sep 8, 2011 10:05:54am
He presented his accomplishments in New Jersey as a model for curing the nation's ills: "We know the answers. They're painful answers. We're going to have to reduce Medicare benefits. We're going to have to reduce Medicaid benefits. We're going to have to raise the Social Security age. We're going to have to do these things. We're going to have to cut all types of other government programs that some people in this room might like."

He was saying these things to a room full of very wealthy people? Does he really think these people are going to feel pain because their social security checks or Medicaid benefits get reduced? Seriously? When reducing these things for the middle and lower class is what is paying for these wealthy peoples tax cuts? This will actually make these wealthy people wealthier and middle and lower class people poorer. So why was he saying "We're going to have to cut all types of other government programs that some people in this room might like."
Was he directing that comment to the waiters in the room serving the champagne?

I am so confused by these people.

4 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 8, 2011 10:06:14am

re: #1 Obdicut

They assert we tax too much. It's an emotional argument. It's a cynical argument, since these people know their history and they know the US has prospered in times with much, much higher taxes.

They should be reminded of this fact every time they assert we need to go back to Leave it to Beaver USA.

"Do you know how much in TAXES the rich would have to PAY under Leave it to Beaver USA??"

Dumb confederates.

5 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 8, 2011 10:44:07am


6 simoom  Thu, Sep 8, 2011 10:52:53am

Koch's introduction to Gov. Christie is also getting some attention:


Months before New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie announced the state was withdrawing from a pact aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions among 10 Northeastern states, he met with one of the billionaire oil industry brothers who have fought to end regional greenhouse gas initiatives.

Now environmentalists and liberals are holding up that meeting and a closed-door seminar in June hosted by brothers David and Charles Koch, in which Christie was the keynote speaker, as evidence of their claims that Christie is influenced by big oil.


On Wednesday, the liberal magazine Mother Jones revealed Christie's contact with the brothers in a report that featured secretly recorded audio from the closed-door conservative conclave in Vail, Colo., on June 26. The audio also revealed that Christie met with David Koch privately this winter.

"Five months ago we met in my New York City office and spoke — just the two of us — for about two hours on his objectives and successes in correcting many of the most serious problems of the New Jersey state government," David Koch said in introducing Christie at the seminar, according to Mother Jones' recording. "At the end of our conversation, I said to myself, 'I'm really impressed and inspired by this man. He is my kind of guy.'"

7 Buck  Thu, Sep 8, 2011 10:55:25am

Actually he ran on Libertarian ticket for Vice President in 1980 (With Ed Clark for President). You might want to correct that.

8 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 8, 2011 11:42:48am

Fixed. Interesting to note what Koch took away from the whole experience:

That November, the Libertarian ticket received only one per cent of the vote. The brothers realized that their brand of politics didn’t sell at the ballot box. Charles Koch became openly scornful of conventional politics. “It tends to be a nasty, corrupting business,” he told a reporter at the time. “I’m interested in advancing libertarian ideas.” According to Doherty’s book, the Kochs came to regard elected politicians as merely “actors playing out a script.” A longtime confidant of the Kochs told Doherty that the brothers wanted to “supply the themes and words for the scripts.” In order to alter the direction of America, they had to “influence the areas where policy ideas percolate from: academia and think tanks.”

"Hmmm...the voting public doesn't seem to want to swallow this shit sandwich. I know! Let's pay a whole bunch of people to tell them it's actually steak!"

9 Mattand  Thu, Sep 8, 2011 11:46:16am

That's my gov: sipping on wine in a tux, telling rich people that "sacrifices" need to be made.

My GF's mom is in love with this guy. Based on her viewing habits, Fox News pimps Christie big time. Somehow, these kind of stories always get "missed."

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