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In yesterday’s NY Times, a prominent Saudi prince delivers a message to our administration about how we should conduct our foreign policy
How ironic that on the 10th anniversary of terrorism’s signature event, which was perpetrated by mostly Saudi Arabians, a prominent member of that theocracy has the gall to give orders to America.
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shutdown Mon, Sep 12, 2011 2:18:05pm |
Only the NYT would publish crap like this. I got as far as the second "America must" before I shut it down.
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sliv_the_eli Mon, Sep 12, 2011 2:56:08pm |
Why would anyone expect anything less odious from the Saudis on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 than we got only days after the event? Remember the following?
[Link: articles.cnn.com...]
As for the NY Times, they have long since become the paper of record for anything anti-Israel, as witnessed by the factually-challeneged and, in my view, morally blind editorial run under their leader yesterday:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Sep 12, 2011 3:23:24pm |
I read the first few lines of that editorial and promptly used it to wrap some fish. The "Old Gray Lady" has gone completely senile.
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wrenchwench Mon, Sep 12, 2011 3:55:25pm |
You guys are commenting without reading it? How about you, sliv? Did you read it?
I read it. It's an opinion piece. He's saying what he thinks the consequences will be if we don't do what we "must" do, and he uses the word "must" because he's implying the consequences are dire. He says we would damage our relationship with the Saudis if we veto the Palestinian State initiative in the UN.
I think we already decided it was OK to risk that relationship when we did not join the Saudis in supporting the Bahrainian monarchy in the recent spring events. (We could have gone farther, of course.)
As for his prediction of the consequences, we can see in the future whether he was right or not.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Sep 12, 2011 4:17:29pm |
re: #4 wrenchwench
You guys are commenting without reading it? How about you, sliv? Did you read it?
I read it. It's an opinion piece. He's saying what he thinks the consequences will be if we don't do what we "must" do, and he uses the word "must" because he's implying the consequences are dire. He says we would damage our relationship with the Saudis if we veto the Palestinian State initiative in the UN.
I think we already decided it was OK to risk that relationship when we did not join the Saudis in supporting the Bahrainian monarchy in the recent spring events. (We could have gone farther, of course.)
I read the op Ed piece I posted, but did not read the editorial posted by sliv
As for his prediction of the consequences, we can see in the future whether he was right or not.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Sep 12, 2011 4:19:50pm |
re: #4 wrenchwench
I butchered my response ... I did read the Saudi prince piece, but did not read the editorial that sliv posted ... Just so we are clear
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wrenchwench Mon, Sep 12, 2011 4:24:38pm |
re: #6 _RememberTonyC
I butchered my response ... I did read the Saudi prince piece, but did not read the editorial that sliv posted ... Just so we are clear
OK, I feel better. :)
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sliv_the_eli Mon, Sep 12, 2011 9:10:59pm |
re: #4 wrenchwench
You guys are commenting without reading it? How about you, sliv? Did you read it?
I read it. It's an opinion piece. He's saying what he thinks the consequences will be if we don't do what we "must" do, and he uses the word "must" because he's implying the consequences are dire. He says we would damage our relationship with the Saudis if we veto the Palestinian State initiative in the UN.
I think we already decided it was OK to risk that relationship when we did not join the Saudis in supporting the Bahrainian monarchy in the recent spring events. (We could have gone farther, of course.)
As for his prediction of the consequences, we can see in the future whether he was right or not.
Yes, I read the piece. I have also spent most of a lifetime observing and listening to the duplicitous Saudi monarchy tell the United States and its people why they should withdraw their support of Israel and allow its enemies in the Arab world to destroy it. If there were an ounce, even a gram, of honesty and well-meaning to what al-Faisal had to say, Saudi Arabia would have long ago announced, unconditionally, that it has abandoned the 3 "No"-s of Khartoum and would have used its substantial wealth and largesse to press the Palestinians to reconcile themselves with the Jews' right to self-determination in their ancient homeland, and not just warn the West, and the United States in particular, of the "dire consequences" if it supports the Jewish state in its struggle to survive the military, quasi-military, political and economic warfare that its Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, have waged against it for the past 63+ years.
The reality is that the United States had creditbility in the Middle East when we unabashedly supported Israel in its struggle against the Arab states that were, and largely remain, out to destroy its very existence, and which, like Saudi Arabia to this day, continue to refuse to recognize its right to exist. Exercising a veto in the UNSC, if necessary, and making clear to the Arab world and to the quislings in Europe that we will not abandon Israel to the wolves that the so-called Arab Spring has unleahed will bolster, not weaken our credibility in a part of the world where the strong horse is respected and the weak horse left to rot.
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