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1 researchok  Wed, Sep 14, 2011 5:34:09pm

If the government's track record with regard to indigenous peoples were better there would be a lot less acrimony.

2 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 14, 2011 5:35:35pm

You mean they're going to break a treaty with us?

3 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 14, 2011 5:57:33pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

You mean they're going to break a treaty with us?

Man bites dog.

4 Ogami Itto  Wed, Sep 14, 2011 7:11:03pm

Fascinating story. I have nothing to add, other than that I think "Larry Echo Hawk" is one of the coolest names ever.

5 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 14, 2011 9:58:10pm

I suppose this means more US welfare money for the remaining true bloods./

6 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Wed, Sep 14, 2011 11:10:28pm

re: #5 Naso Tang

There are a lot of Cherokees upset about this. What exactly do you mean by more U.S. welfare money? And what exactly do you know about the Cherokees and their history?

7 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 2:36:38am

The whole thing is sickening, and absurd. The Cherokee Nation's consternation with "government meddling" might carry more logical weight if they weren't going off of the frickin' Dawes Rolls to determine membership.

With the way they treat people, I sure hope I don't have any Cherokee DNA.

8 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 2:36:53am

re: #5 Naso Tang

I suppose this means more US welfare money for the remaining true bloods./

Meaning?

9 boredtechindenver  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 8:56:49am

Being recognized as a member/citizen of a Native nation can actually be worth money now that many reservations have casinos. The purge of Tribal membership rolls is more likely an attempt to make the share larger for the remaining members.

(edited to delete improper apostrophe)

10 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 9:01:09am

We can regard them as a sovereign people as the treaty demands or we can continue to im[pose our rules. Gotta wonder-How many who argued we had no right to impose elections upon the Iraqi people would argue we must impose our rules on the Cherokee at their reservation?

11 zora  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 9:24:56am

so they're trying to thin out the voter rolls to keep the black people from messing up the election. where have i heard this before?

12 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 11:29:23am

Being a young "white bread" growing up on the Navajo reservation I can say that some Navajo put blood and ancestry above all else, including courtesy. It's sad really, because besides those moments I found living there fascinating. I don't know how it is in the Cherokee nation but I imagine they have their close-minded individuals as well, just as we have in nearly any society.

re: #8 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Meaning?

In the Navajo nation tribal income (from the US gov, casinos, etc) is split between all the citizens. The fewer citizens admitted into the tribe, the larger cut the others get. It can lead to some nasty politics. I don't know if it is the same for the Cherokee nation, though I imagine that's what he meant if it is.

13 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 12:13:53pm

re: #9 boredtechindenver

Being recognized as a member/citizen of a Native nation can actually be worth money now that many reservations have casinos. The purge of Tribal membership rolls is more likely an attempt to make the share larger for the remaining members.

I don't think so. These fights within the Cherokee Nation, Seminole and Creek date back to the 1970s-80s. It's not just about money, it's about purity. OT1H it's hard to blame the 5 Civilized, since they've had so much taken from them by the 1/512th types.

But again, imo, they give themselves away by such staunch reliance on the Dawes Rolls. Shoulda thought harder and longer about that throwing in with Confederacy bit, but since they didn't...

14 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 12:17:05pm

re: #12 prononymous

In the Navajo nation tribal income (from the US gov, casinos, etc) is split between all the citizens. The fewer citizens admitted into the tribe, the larger cut the others get. It can lead to some nasty politics. I don't know if it is the same for the Cherokee nation, though I imagine that's what he meant if it is.

People have this idea it somehow, literally, "pays" to be an oppressed minority, as if everything always boils down to the pursuit of money and things.

I don't know if Naso Tang is such a person, but it always strikes me as odd that the first thing people think of is "what can I get for being me" or in the case of others, "what are these GODDAMN minorities stealing from me, this time!"

15 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 12:27:56pm

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

We can regard them as a sovereign people as the treaty demands or we can continue to im[pose our rules. Gotta wonder-How many who argued we had no right to impose elections upon the Iraqi people would argue we must impose our rules on the Cherokee at their reservation?

The problem of Cherokee (and other) Freemen has to do with the tribes having thrown in with the Confederate States during the Civil War. It's an issue of tribal membership in the Cherokee Nation (one of 3 official Cherokee bands), not reservations.

If it were that cut and dried as recognizing tribes as sovereign, and if we didn't have a nasty history of breaking treaties with tribes on top of simply terminating many of the tribes, there would not be a Freedmen story at all.

They're also going by the problematic Dawes Rolls (see link above) for establishment of tribal membership, which is a federal mandate dating to 1890s. So the comparison to Iraq is very apples/oranges.

16 Phydeaux Speaks  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 4:53:54pm

re: #13 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Shoulda thought harder and longer about that throwing in with Confederacy bit, but since they didn't...

And after all the USA had done for to them....

17 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 15, 2011 6:26:38pm

re: #11 zora

so they're trying to thin out the voter rolls to keep the black people from messing up the election. where have i heard this before?

Ex-slavers do often tend to think that way, I've noticed.


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