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1 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Sep 19, 2011 2:21:27pm

Let's see, I have two choices if I'm old and sick, I can apply for medicare or I can pray for health.

2 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 19, 2011 3:31:55pm

It's always about control freakery with conservatives. Always, never fails.

3 Etaoin Shrdlu  Mon, Sep 19, 2011 3:48:54pm
Medicare [is] not going to get you to turn away from behaviors that are destroying your life, but the Gospel will.

The Gospel will stop you getting old?

4 dragonfire1981  Mon, Sep 19, 2011 4:03:50pm

I'm a Christian. If you come to my church looking for food the first thing I will do is feed you. I will also talk to you, but NOT about God. I want to get to know you first before we talk about anything remotely religious. Even Jesus appealed to people's basic humanity before teaching.

5 Atlas Fails  Mon, Sep 19, 2011 4:19:09pm

Jesus-"Who the fuck are these assholes, and why are they using my name?"

6 theheat  Mon, Sep 19, 2011 4:22:33pm

re: #4 dragonfire1981

I don't believe the weak or fallen should have to pray for their supper, or any other damned thing. As you said, help first, then comes any Gospel sharing. The opportunity to proselytize should never be a mandate for helping the needy. That's counterfeit as shit.

7 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Mon, Sep 19, 2011 4:33:16pm
...the church was providing you with the physical sustenance that you needed, it was providing you also with the much more important spiritual sustenance.

Ugh. And not only have they got it ass backwards, they're wistfully speaking of something that Islamist bastards in Af-Pak and Eastern Africa do as a ploy for influence. Taking something lovely and deeply good--soulful even if I'm not sure there is a soul--and making it into a power dynamic.

I'm not religious, but always liked the ideological component that, across cultures and faiths, articulates that an act of charity is for the soul of the giver--who learns empathy and virtue--and the body of the receiver.

8 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Mon, Sep 19, 2011 4:48:36pm

The Evangelicals i know are very open and upfront about this.
They claim that by helping people, the government is assuming the job that the church and only the church (Evangelical fundamentalist) should do.

9 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 19, 2011 6:31:08pm
It used to be that if you were hungry, if you needed help, you would go to the church and as the church was feeding you, as the church was providing you with the physical sustenance that you needed, it was providing you also with the much more important spiritual sustenance.

And right now what we're doing is

And if you're not Christian, then what.

Such easy questions, these sociopath cons are given a free pass on.

10 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 19, 2011 6:38:42pm


11 Sionainn  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:59:45am

My experience of one person who depended on her church has really colored my view of this.

Brenda was one of the sweetest people I have ever met. She was very involved in her church and spent a lot of her time and money making meals for others, delivering them, and helping peopleout in other ways. She was very inspiring and selfless. When she decided to marry a man with kidney failure that members of her church didn't approve of, they decided to turn their backs on her. Right about that time, she was diagnosed with breast cancer and she was very ill. She was heartbroken that her church was not there for her and they refused to lift a finger to help her. She had waited too long to get symptoms checked and her aggressive form of breast cancer killed her within six months of her diagnosis. This incredible woman's church turned its back on her in her greatest time of need. It was really unforgivable.

I have not one ounce of faith that churches would step up to the plate and be able/willing to take care of people who need help because I've seen the pettiness firsthand. No, thank you. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

12 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:22:25am

re: #11 Sionainn

I have not one ounce of faith that churches would step up to the plate and be able/willing to take care of people who need help because I've seen the pettiness firsthand. No, thank you. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I grew up traveling in the same geographic circuits as missionaries, and while there were some lovely, noble people, they were a lot of prideful judgmental folk intent on cowing non-Christians into submission by haggling over basic necessities and minor infrastructure improvements. I often got to see the "after" picture of the regions these spiritual bullies touched, where the aid was never enough and the new converts parleyed their access to ministry resources into regional power politics. I especially remember an insufferable seat-mate intent on explaining to me how his mission was "solving" the caste system. He didn't realize my friend Nagaraj--an extremely conscientious Gandhian socialist on the old school--did social work in that region, and I had heard a steady stream of reports about the regional intrigues. The new Christians in the Karnatak village he was speaking of were now positioning themselves as Brahmins, physically and verbally intimidating their Hindu neighbors, and had set up a spiritual economy in which charitable foodstuffs were exchanged for prayers to Jesus on a one to one basis.

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