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1 Bob Levin  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 8:06:24pm

I like the article, but.....

Doesn't it seem like a very long run for a very short jump?

If I might: Big Bang. One force, then four forces. And it stops there. Any scientific reason for it to stop there? No, but it does.*

Now, as we trace the development of these four forces and form the universe, somehow we've got to get to the development of 'consciousness'. But we've never actually gotten that far. It's a long run to get to 'consciousness'.

*I think the reason for stopping at four is because of the following slippery slope:

If there are five forces at the first split, and one of those forces is 'consciousness', we might at least have a reasonable definition of consciousness as opposed to messing around with Free Will. Because no matter how much we talk about Free Will, there's no foundation unless there is a definition of 'consciousness'.

Just a thought.

2 Bob Dillon  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 8:25:08pm

If I might: The unified field is consciousness.

Consciousness is not a force. Forces manifest from the unified field into relative existence.

3 Pythagoras  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 8:28:56pm

The physics student must reconcile Schrodinger's Equation with the Uncertainty Principle. They are both true and it is not a conundrum. It takes some time to get comfortable with but it's also standard stuff.

The author of the article seems to have not walked this road.

4 Bob Levin  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 8:34:45pm

re: #2 Bobibutu

Consciousness is not a force. Forces manifest from the unified field into relative existence.

I think we've all felt that relative existence. However, to explain or describe this, we must leave the field of physics. Slippery slope.

5 Bob Levin  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 8:35:59pm

re: #3 Pythagoras

Neither have I. Go ahead on.

6 Bob Dillon  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 8:51:37pm

re: #4 Bob Levin

I think we've all felt that relative existence. However, to explain or describe this, we must leave the field of physics. Slippery slope.

In a quantum field we have ground state or vacuum state - no particles or forces. Ground state = consciousness. A field of all possibilities. Still in the field of physics.

7 Bob Levin  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 8:58:42pm

re: #6 Bobibutu

In a quantum field we have ground state or vacuum state - no particles or forces. Ground state = consciousness. A field of all possibilities. Still in the field of physics.

As in--"Oh baby, you make my ground state into hamburger." Not physics.
Seriously, if you investigate consciousness, you have to go there. In fact, you have to go sooo many places that are not physics.

8 Bob Dillon  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 9:12:55pm

re: #7 Bob Levin

How so?

9 Bob Dillon  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 9:37:23pm

Try this: The only constant in relative creation is change.

Underlying that change is the non-changing field, vacuum state, ground state and this is where our uncertainty principal enters with differences between classical and quantum vacuum fields - the former with a definite shape -> flat, and the latter cannot have shape but coexists with all possible shapes simultaneously. An unmanifest unified field of all possibilities bubbling up into superstrings, quantum fields, space-time, forces, particles - etc.

10 Bob Levin  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:18:10pm

re: #9 Bobibutu

Better link to that while I think of the punchline.

11 researchok  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 2:06:57am

I liked the article.

Opens the door for new ways to understanding the human potential, among other things.


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