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1 Bob Dillon  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:55:14am

Government regulations and bureaucracy have reduced it to "I just want to make a few bucks and take care of my family while being left alone."

2 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:05:01am

The study appears to have been done in the depths of our recession/depression. I have to wonder if that is a significant factor in the answers.

I'd like to add some data to this page. It's from the SBA.

How important are small businesses to the U.S. economy?
Small firms:
Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.
Employ just over half of all private sector employees.
Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
Have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years.
Create more than half of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).

Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer programmers).
Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.
Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007.
Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.

3 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:54:26am

re: #1 Bobibutu

Government regulations and bureaucracy have reduced it to "I just want to make a few bucks and take care of my family while being left alone."

You just made that up. If they are in business at all they have been through whatever you reference. That says nothing about expanding the business. Restaurants for example are a large percentage of these businesses. Most are not looking to expand as chains or franchises.

4 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:09:49am

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

Your numbers don't invalidate anything in the article and home based businesses do not hire large numbers of employees individually. Very few expand outside the home.

The point was not to deny that many people are employed by small business, including husband and wife in a home business, or restaurant for example. The point is that very few of those will be stimulated to grow the economy by hiring more people to work out of their garage, or franchise their restaurant.

As to identified exporters, "exporter", or "importer", or "import/export". It is a catch all category when filling out a business form.

I don't know about the patent numbers, but I do know that I have a few patents myself, and doing something with them is a lot harder than getting the patent. Large resource organizations are much more likely to end up with a product than individuals.

These kind of statistics, when produced by an organization created to serve it's own interests need to be analysed more closely. Would you take them at face value if they were uttered by Perry for Texas?

5 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:16:45am

re: #4 Naso Tang

Your numbers don't invalidate anything in the article and home based businesses do not hire large numbers of employees individually. Very few expand outside the home.

The point was not to deny that many people are employed by small business, including husband and wife in a home business, or restaurant for example. The point is that very few of those will be stimulated to grow the economy by hiring more people to work out of their garage, or franchise their restaurant.

As to identified exporters, "exporter", or "importer", or "import/export". It is a catch all category when filling out a business form. And 1400 or so is a pretty small sample. I'd like to see the same study done again after we get out of this recession strongly. If we do.

I don't know about the patent numbers, but I do know that I have a few patents myself, and doing something with them is a lot harder than getting the patent. Large resource organizations are much more likely to end up with a product than individuals.

These kind of statistics, when produced by an organization created to serve it's own interests need to be analysed more closely. Would you take them at face value if they were uttered by Perry for Texas?

The SBA has a lot more credibility and access to data than Rick Perry.
They have some oversight. Perry's oversight is Perry.

6 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:27:45am

re: #4 Naso Tang

Thinking further...
The SBA stats are kinda hard to square up with the natural takeaway one would expect from the study. I mean, so what if home businesses do not hire many outsiders? They each did take a person or two off the unemployed and with a lot less impact (cost) on infrastructure. No office in the city, no commute, no staff needed. That lack of staff would be about computers and the internet making the micro biz feasible to run.

Perhaps the activity they cause as they order supplies or sell whatever they do is significant, if hard to measure precisely. How is 100 people as plumbers or exporters working from home or a micro biz not as helpful as 100 at a big corporation? It's still 100 people adding to the economy instead of dragging it down.

7 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:32:07am

BTW (Sorry)
Many small biz innovations are never patented. They simply exert their advantage for the parties involved without a patent. In my field of precious metals, this is extremely common.

8 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:43:55am

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

I don't think the article disagrees with any of that. What they are saying is that much of "small" business is not planning to become larger corporations and don't even want to. I see nothing wrong with that, but when policies are made to supposedly stimulate small business to grow, it may be ineffectual if this is not considered. To stimulate NEW small business might be a better way to look at it, but that is not how politicians talk when they generalize.

9 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:47:38am

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

Yes this is true, but I question whether "productive" patents originate more from individuals than corporations. Also I question such statistics simply because many patents are issued to an individual, even if they work for a corporation and the corporation owns the rights.

10 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:47:57am

Heading out for now.

11 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 12:44:54pm

re: #8 Naso Tang

As a member of the Freelancer's Union, I can say that most freelancers who are small businesses don't have any desire or thought of growth. They're mostly just small businesses in order to easily do contract work.


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