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1 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:20:40pm

Changing this would have to involve people of integrity strongly opposing those who support the death penalty with indignation and an attitude of toughness. Don't see this happening anytime soon.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:13:48am

Anybody who supports death penalty in practice (as opposed to supporting the idea itself, but opposing its implementations due to less than stellar record of the courts anywhere on Earth) automatically supports murder of people innocent of the crimes they've been sentenced for.

It's an inescapable conclusion, since no matter how long one blathers about supporting DP when the person is judged by a jury of his peers, with all the controls in place, in a democracy, blah blah, there will always be corrupt cops, corrupt juries, corrupt experts and corrupt judges, as well as stupid cops, stupid juries, stupid experts and stupid judges (and the mix of all the above).

Prison sentence at least leaves a minuscule chance for rectifying of a possible miscarriage of justice. DP does not.

"Partial" support of DP only in "clear" cases is completely incoherent. Not only there are no objective factors to decide between "clear" and "doubtful" cases (what is clear to someone is doubtful to another), the law does not have such a distinction. In the eyes of the law the person is either proven to be guilty, or not proven to be so, without regard to doubt among outside observers. If the case is deemed unclear, doubtful, then the person should be set free in the first place, for his guilt has not been proven beyond the reasonable doubt.

There is no "third state", i.e. such when a person's guilt is probable enough that he should be left to rot in prison, but sufficiently doubtful so that he should not be executed. Nor should such an absurdity be allowed. The obvious conclusion is that if one wants to exclude the chance of a state murdering a person innocent of the crimes he has been accused of, death penalty should be abolished.

3 SpaceJesus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:39:45am

yup, it's religion

4 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:51:43am

re: #3 SpaceJesus

yup, it's religion

Like most things in this post modern world. Like I said last night. It's like we're in the Dark Ages with an iPhone. Much of the religious mentality has barely budged since the invention of religion.

5 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 1:18:08pm

re: #4 Gus 802

I'd say it's gone backwards. If you look at the religions of hunter-gatherer societies, they tend to be a lot kinder than agrarian religion. They to tend to have positive trickster gods, to recognize mankind as facing a hostile physical world and needing mutuality and intelligence, not faith, to survive.

The religious stories of those societies aren't people praying and the god saving them, it's often people besting the gods.

6 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 2:37:52pm

The thing that I have to admit that has always disturbed me is the way people celebrate an execution. Guilty or not, that just sends shivers to my spine. I can understand believing that the DP brings some sense of justice or closure to the victims' family and loved ones but I cannot fathom for the life of me why complete strangers who never knew either the convict or the victim would celebrate. The big problem I have with the DP is the chance you can execute an innocent person.


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