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1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 25, 2011 6:22:37pm

If a rock crashed into a car and killed the driver in the US, it would be murder straight up.

2 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Sep 25, 2011 6:23:32pm

I'm sure if the perpetrators of this crime are apprehended, the PA authorities will take action against them. Probably by naming a street in their honor.

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 25, 2011 6:52:11pm

That boy was beautiful.

4 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 25, 2011 8:16:05pm

re: #1 EmmmieG

If a rock crashed into a car and killed the driver in the US, it would be murder straight up.

True. I don't like that the Israeli police pulled a cover-up, but honestly I think it defensible. "Price Tag" responses have to be avoided.

5 windsagio  Sun, Sep 25, 2011 9:32:07pm

Israeli police: "Maybe somebody threw a stone and it caused the accident."

You guys: "QUICK HANG A PALESTINIAN!"

Pretty damn disgusting.

6 Flavia  Sun, Sep 25, 2011 9:57:54pm

re: #5 windsagio

Israeli police: "Maybe somebody threw a stone and it caused the accident."

You guys: "QUICK HANG A PALESTINIAN!"

Pretty damn disgusting.

What's disgusting is this lie. This is not what happened, & no one said anything of the sort.

7 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 12:07:49am

re: #5 windsagio

Your lies are way out of line.

8 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:34:21am

re: #5 windsagio

Nobody said to hang a palestinian.

9 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:36:49am

re: #5 windsagio

Israeli police: "Maybe somebody threw a stone and it caused the accident."

You guys: "QUICK HANG A PALESTINIAN!"

Pretty damn disgusting.

Who said "QUICK HANG A PALESTINIAN!"

10 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:38:51am

The story can't seem to decide whether or not the police are actually saying they've concluded that a rock was thrown at the vehicle. It vacillates between saying that they have, they haven't, and they're still investigating.

And it is a bad sign that the police are perhaps unwilling to release details for fear of a 'price tag' attack. When I heard that Israeli teens had been arrested for throwing rocks at the IDF, I was pretty damn shocked. It'd almost be funny if it weren't so depressing.

11 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:44:44am

It was just some innocent flying rocks, flying around randomly as rocks always do, defying gravity, which the "car carrying settlers" deliberately rammed into in order to disrupt their orbit.
//

12 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:46:00am

re: #11 Alouette

When a car overturns, it's possible for rocks to smash through the windshield. It could actually be an accident.

13 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:46:48am

re: #5 windsagio

By the way, in its whole modern history, Israel has executed exactly two people, and one of them was Eichmann. It's virtually impossible to get the death penalty in Israel. They're much better than us in that regard.

14 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:51:15am

re: #13 Obdicut

By the way, in its whole modern history, Israel has executed exactly two people, and one of them was Eichmann. It's virtually impossible to get the death penalty in Israel. They're much better than us in that regard.

Who was the other person, besides Eichmann? (judicial executions, not "targeted assassinations" of terrorist leaders)

15 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:53:12am

re: #12 Obdicut

When a car overturns, it's possible for rocks to smash through the windshield. It could actually be an accident.

I would think competent CSI could tell the difference between a car whose driver lost control because a rock was hurled at the windshield and a car whose windshield was smashed by contact with rocks sitting on the ground.

16 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:53:37am

re: #14 Alouette

Who was the other person, besides Eichmann? (judicial executions, not "targeted assassinations" of terrorist leaders)

Pretty sure he meant Meir Tobianski.

17 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:55:09am

re: #16 000G

Pretty sure he meant Meir Tobianski.

Thanks, did not know that.

18 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:59:24am

re: #15 Alouette

I would think competent CSI could tell the difference between a car whose driver lost control because a rock was hurled at the windshield and a car whose windshield was smashed by contact with rocks sitting on the ground.

Sure. I would too. What I'm noting is that the news report can't seem to make up its mind what the actual conclusion of the police is, or if there has been a conclusion.

19 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:59:38am

re: #16 000G

And yes, that's it. Thank you.

20 BishopX  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 5:18:57am

re: #18 Obdicut

Sure. I would too. What I'm noting is that the news report can't seem to make up its mind what the actual conclusion of the police is, or if there has been a conclusion.

It doesn't help that the family refused an autopsy.

21 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:17:34am

And Alouette, saying that a price tag attack is just graffiti is incorrect. They've included things like smashed windows, burned tires, the burning of olive groves, and rocks thrown at Palestinian cars. Which is what I mean about the irony almost being funny, but instead just being so damn sad.

22 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:53:49am

re: #21 Obdicut

And Alouette, saying that a price tag attack is just graffiti is incorrect. They've included things like smashed windows, burned tires, the burning of olive groves, and rocks thrown at Palestinian cars. Which is what I mean about the irony almost being funny, but instead just being so damn sad.

But "price tag" has so far only included property damage, not murder, am I correct?

23 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:04:12am

I am still looking for a direct or attributable quote from the police confirming terrorism.

Have just read an article on Ynet where a Rabbi is calling for "collective punishment", theres a violent frenzy being whipped up in response to this among settlers and buried away at the bottom of 7 paragraphs of emotion the only first hand quotes are still about the investigation being in its primary phases.

The police said in response: "The initial investigation indicated the incident was the result of a self-inflicted car accident causing the car to crash into a pile of rocks. Evidence found inside the vehicle led the police to perform an external autopsy at the State and the family's approval.

"The autopsy indicated that the driver was hit in the head by a blunt object which led us to believe that a rock may have been hurled at the car. The family was informed of the progress in the case. The investigation is still ongoing and the family will be provided with all the findings when it concludes. "

IDF: No cover up

The IDF Spokesperson's Office rejected claims that it did not tell the truth about the terror attack, and tried to cover it up as an accident.

"The IDF is completely rejecting the claims. As the investigation developed, the police presented new findings related to the circumstances of the incident," the statement said.

The IDF expressed regret over the death of the father and son, and stressed that the preliminary investigation that it concluded on Friday was based on evidence collected by police investigators who arrived at the scene of the car crash.

"A Central Command check held Friday indicated no stones were hurled at the car from the side of the road. Further findings then suggested the possibility that stones had been hurled from a passing vehicle. The issue is being checked," it said.

24 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:37:33am

re: #22 Alouette

But "price tag" has so far only included property damage, not murder, am I correct?

Yes. But not just graffiti.

What worries me more is the significance of the Israeli youth throwing rocks at the IDF. That scares me. I can understand the settlers feeling like the IDF is failing them in not protecting them, but that's not going to help matters any.

Hothead settlers vandalizing mosques is shitty and dangerous, but it's nowhere near the level of dangerous-- to them as well in general-- as they throwing rocks at IDF troops.

25 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:43:06am

re: #24 Obdicut

Yes. But not just graffiti.

What worries me more is the significance of the Israeli youth throwing rocks at the IDF. That scares me. I can understand the settlers feeling like the IDF is failing them in not protecting them, but that's not going to help matters any.

Hothead settlers vandalizing mosques *and burning dozens of Qurans* is shitty and dangerous, but it's nowhere near the level of dangerous-- to them as well in general-- as they throwing rocks at IDF troops.

Finished that off for you.

26 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:45:50am

re: #24 Obdicut

Yes. But not just graffiti.

What worries me more is the significance of the Israeli youth throwing rocks at the IDF. That scares me. I can understand the settlers feeling like the IDF is failing them in not protecting them, but that's not going to help matters any.

Hothead settlers vandalizing mosques is shitty and dangerous, but it's nowhere near the level of dangerous-- to them as well in general-- as they throwing rocks at IDF troops.

Are we absolutely 100% certain that "settlers" snuck into an Arab village and destroyed qurans and graffiti'ed up the mosque? Because B'Tselem has a history, going way back, of staging these scenes.

27 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:12:10am

re: #26 Alouette

Are we absolutely 100% certain that "settlers" snuck into an Arab village and destroyed qurans and graffiti'ed up the mosque? Because B'Tselem has a history, going way back, of staging these scenes.

I don't know. The Shin Bet says that they're real. And as I said, the rock-throwing against the IDF worries me a lot more.

28 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:14:44am

re: #5 windsagio

Israeli police: "Maybe somebody threw a stone and it caused the accident."

You guys: "QUICK HANG A PALESTINIAN!"

Pretty damn disgusting.

Go to hell windsagio.

29 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:23:09am

re: #5 windsagio

Israeli police: "Maybe somebody threw a stone and it caused the accident."

You guys: "QUICK HANG A PALESTINIAN!"

Pretty damn disgusting.

No one fucking said that.
Sheesh, man.

30 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:38:58am

re: #26 Alouette

Are we absolutely 100% certain that "settlers" snuck into an Arab village and destroyed qurans and graffiti'ed up the mosque? Because B'Tselem has a history, going way back, of staging these scenes.

Are we absolutely certain that everything on ynet is true, except negative stories about settlers?.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

31 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:56:45am

re: #30 wozzablog

Are we absolutely certain that everything on ynet is true, except negative stories about settlers?.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

YNet is well known for a blatant prejudice against religious Jews, including Hasidim and "settlers."

32 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:44:48am

I appreciate that you showed Asher Palmer's photo with his son since you can see by looking at that photo that the man was clearly a loving father. The poor kid too. Only one years old with his whole life ahead of him. No one said anything about hanging Palestinians but I sure as hell do think that this was a criminal act and I'd be saying this regardless of the victims and perps.

33 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Sep 28, 2011 3:19:37am

Israel says Palestinians caused deadly car crash

JERUSALEM — Israeli authorities say Palestinian assailants are to blame for a car crash that killed an Israeli father and his infant son in the West Bank last week.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld says the investigation has found that the Israeli man lost control of his car after he was hit in the head by a stone. Palestinian youths regularly throw stones at Israeli cars in the West Bank.

Israel's Defense Ministry said on Wednesday that the "results of the investigation show it was a terror attack." The crash was initially thought to have been an accident.

[Link: www.ajc.com...]

34 windsagio  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 3:17:17am

a bit late but, it was a reference to hysterical lynching of blacks, rather than a specific quote.

Just to make things absolutely clear.

35 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 6:03:43am

re: #34 windsagio

a bit late but, it was a reference to hysterical lynching of blacks, rather than a specific quote.

It still came across as trollish hyperbole, and did nothing to help whatever point you were trying to make. Just being honest there - you would have been much better off saying something like, "shouldn't we wait for a proper investigation before automatically assigning blame?" You still would have gotten pushback and maybe even some downdings, but it would have been a far more effective way to make your argument.

36 windsagio  Fri, Sep 30, 2011 1:52:01am

re: #35 publicityStunted

It pissed me off, and I just kind of threw it out there, you know how it is when something gets your goat.


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