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1 researchok  Sat, Oct 1, 2011 2:22:23am

I have mixed feelings about the ALA.

Their defense of access to porn from library computers (from the kids section as well) is outrageous.

2 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 1, 2011 4:27:40am

Yes, kids should get their porn from home while mom and dad are at work. It’s the American Family-Friendly Way.

3 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 1, 2011 7:12:17am

re: #1 researchok

I have mixed feelings about the ALA.

Their defense of access to porn from library computers (from the kids section as well) is outrageous.

I only vaguely remembered that incident as my son was already an adult when it happened, so I had to look it up. In the case of adults, as long as they’re not viewing anything illegal, then I suppose I’d have to agree with the ALA regarding First Amendment issues, even though I think the porn thing is icky.

With kids it gets trickier. It seems that a portion of the ALA’s resistance to the idea was the ineffectiveness of content-blocking software, however the idea that kids also have First Amendment rights and should be allowed to view porn at the library is kind of absurd. I mean, movies are rated and children not allowed into some (NC-17), or parental/adult accompaniment is either required (R) or suggested/cautioned (PG/PG-13).

Still, even those ratings are done by the motion picture industry, not the government, and in the case of PG/PG-13 the decision belongs to the parents (ditto for TV and video game ratings). It seems to me that government control/censorship was primarily what the ALA was alarmed about. I don’t really agree with them where kids are concerned, but nonetheless I appreciate them erring on the side of freedom. Perhaps they should’ve offered to self-regulate like other industries.

4 SafeLibraries  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:54:03pm

FYI, I attended a New Jersey Library Association meeting and recorded a “banned” author (#9 on recent 2010 list) admitting the ALA told her other books were challenged more than hers but hers was put on the list for political reasons: Banned Books Week is Gay Promotion? Author Admits ALA Faked 2010 Top 10 Challenged Book List. In other words, the list is faked.

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:56:20pm

re: #4 SafeLibraries

FYI, I attended a New Jersey Library Association meeting and recorded a “banned” author (#9 on recent 2010 list) admitting the ALA told her other books were challenged more than hers but hers was put on the list for political reasons: Banned Books Week is Gay Promotion? Author Admits ALA Faked 2010 Top 10 Challenged Book List. In other words, the list is faked.

If you recorded it, you might as well post the record ;)

6 SafeLibraries  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:06:12pm

re: #5 Sergey Romanov

If you recorded it, you might as well post the record ;)

I have the entire thing, about an hour long. What I really need to do is present that along with the relevant except. Here is the transcript, with time marks from the original:

45:13 The only other challenges that I’m aware of are are these two, and I talked to the ALA Office of Intellectual Freedom about it. I said oh my god I’m listed on [unintelligible], and they said because this was such a big deal, and because the book was actually removed, whereas as many of these titles that get challenged, some get challenged but not removed, that that is how it made it onto the list for this year, so it’s the Burlington County cases that we’re aware of right now. 45:41

When I extract the excerpt, I’ll post both. It is my experience the claim will be made about the excerpt being “out of context.” So I will present the entire material I have as well.


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