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1 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 5, 2011 6:29:13pm

The rest of the networks are pro gun control as general editorial policy. Ratings bait.

2 researchok  Oct 5, 2011 6:40:54pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

The rest of the networks are pro gun control as general editorial policy. Ratings bait.

Agreed.

I’d also note as the population ages, crime tends to decrease, so I’m not sure looser gun laws, per se, made for a reduction in crimes.

What is disheartening is the young people (and anyone who wants a guns) still have relatively easy access to firearms.

3 shecky  Oct 5, 2011 7:40:42pm

Mary Rosh thinks this is the most remarkable ground breaking news that the liberal media can’t possibly ignore.

4 The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 5, 2011 8:46:46pm

Um. Are you familiar with John “Accept My Research as true in spite of the primary data having been destroying in fire so you can’t see it” Lott? Whose argument about guns is rooted in decreases in crime in one geographic region somehow resultant from increased gun ownership in other regions?

…Seriously, that the basis of his famous book More Guns Less Crime: he took national level data about crime and gun ownership and generated a causal dynamic…but the data set he used involved an increase in guns in rural areas, and a decrease in crimes in urban areas. And when questioned about this, he claimed all of his initial survey data was lost in a fire.

…the guy who uses econometrics to generate his data, that no else in the field can replicate?

Given the chance to actually defend his work from peer analysis, he chose to duck discussion, declare his detractors biased, and started peddling his ideas in the popular market. He has since moved on to the meme that any and all criticism is rooted in a liberal media bias against guns. He now works for the American Enterprise Institute. Go luck up his book “Freedomnomics: Why the Free Market Works and Other Half-Baked Theories Don’t “—it basically fancy pseudo-statistical flourishes echoing von Mises talking points.

The contents include such chestnuts as “professional licensing impedes high achievers” and “abortion and affirmative action hires to the police increase crime.”

Sorry, but this man has severely damaged credibility. You should not be taking his word on anything.

5 docproto48  Oct 5, 2011 8:47:15pm

I agree that the aging population has some to do with the drop but I also think that more guns will either have no effect or a small positive effect until a certain critical mass of guns is reached. At that point the same type of person subject to road rage will start pulling a gun instead of a middle finger.

6 Bob Dillon  Oct 5, 2011 10:19:18pm

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Robert A. Heinlein

en.wikipedia.org

7 FemNaziBitch  Oct 5, 2011 10:31:14pm

I think there are many factors that have contributed to the decrease in violent crime.

Firearm ownership is just one.

8 researchok  Oct 6, 2011 1:58:55am

re: #6 Bobibutu

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Robert A. Heinlein

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

I have no issue with gun ownership, to be clear.

Crime however, is an entirely different conversation.

9 BishopX  Oct 6, 2011 4:51:35am

re: #6 Bobibutu

Unfortunately for Mr. Heinlein there have been significant advances in the understanding of human nature since he wrote that; see Yemen, Somalia and Mexico for details.

An intact society with socially cohesive norms can withstand the widespread presence of arms. Anything else just produces chaos.

10 Claire  Oct 7, 2011 10:31:44am

The main point I got from this is that a lot of people were freaking out that lifting the bans would cause an enormous increase in gun violence, but that didn’t end up happening at all, which is interesting on it’s own.

Of course they are claiming it “plummeted” when it went down 13%, which wouldn’t be my definition of “plummet”, but nevertheless it didn’t go up as predicted.


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