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1 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:24:58am

Am I the only one who finds speculating on food incredibly fucked up?

2 lostlakehiker  Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:59:40am

re: #1 Conservative Moonbat

Am I the only one who finds speculating on food incredibly fucked up?

Well, there is another perspective. If there were no speculation in food prices, then food would have to clear the market and be sold, then and there, for whatever it might bring. Holding food in storage is expensive. Producers don’t have enough information about probable future demand and supply to make sensible decisions about whether to store, or sell forthwith.

Without the possibility of speculation, mass storage of food, in anticipation of the possibility of a cyclone destroying a rice harvest, say, and the consequent runup in the price of stored rice, the world would not hold as much in the way of reserves. Who would shoulder the storage costs, if not speculators?

Perhaps, you will think, governments should keep stocks of food. That’s probably a good idea too, and some governments do. But there are so many things to think about: storms, drought, rising prosperity in China and India and a resulting increased demand for meat, pest control, oil embargoes and the effect on corn prices, and on and on. Governments don’t do that. They cannot get up to speed on all those variables. Speculators can’t either, not entirely. But at least they have skin in the game. If they get it wrong, they lose money.

Speculation in food is an institution designed to shift the risks to farmers, of having to sell a good crop into a down market, and the risks, to consumers, of having to buy when prices have soared, onto middlemen. The middleman takes a cut, makes a profit, and shoulders some of the inevitable boom and bust risk. If prices tank, the speculator may buy, sensing an opportunity to sell later at a better price. If prices soar, he can cash in, and, (and this is the point of the whole exercise) alleviate a shortage by releasing reserves of food that have been held back against the evil day.

So long as the market is properly regulated, (no fake food warehouses, that sort of thing) society may be the better, all in all, for the activities of speculators.

3 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 6, 2011 11:02:16am

re: #1 Conservative Moonbat

Am I the only one who finds speculating on food incredibly fucked up?

Nope. Count me in.

4 KingKenrod  Thu, Oct 6, 2011 11:57:36am

re: #1 Conservative Moonbat

Am I the only one who finds speculating on food incredibly fucked up?

Speculation is absolutely necessary in modern markets to provide cost certainty. Without it you would see wild spikes in prices as well is massive recurring local and global shortages. You would also see generally higher prices for most commodities as suppliers have to price in risk directly.

5 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 6, 2011 1:01:36pm

re: #1 Conservative Moonbat

I did not read your comment as in absolutely no speculation, more like what we saw before we had all these odd securities and derivatives added to the existing sane market.

Did I read you right?


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