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1 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:21:07am

So, he didn't actually hurt anyone, just scared them?

They were trespassing on his land?

I have issues with this.

Help me out here.

2 freetoken  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:24:46am

re: #1 ggt

Ownership of land does not grant the owner unlimited rights, and especially doesn't give the the owner abeyance from following the laws on how we treat one another.

3 windsagio  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:25:30am

only thing I don't get is that he was found guilty of assault, but apparently didn't assault anyone. Is it just missing from the story?

4 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:26:32am

So, people can trespass all they want and the property owner has to let them?

Is this an erosion of property rights?

Seriously, they were breaking the law.

5 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:27:16am

re: #2 freetoken

Ownership of land does not grant the owner unlimited rights, and especially doesn't give the the owner abeyance from following the laws on how we treat one another.

What laws, you can't use swear words?

6 windsagio  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:31:42am

re: #5 ggt

threatening people who 'tried to escape' is a whole different deal.

He wasn't chasing them off his private property, he was threatening to set his dog on them and/or shoot them if they tried to escape him.

That's kind of fucked up by any standard.

7 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:33:12am

re: #2 freetoken

Ownership of land does not grant the owner unlimited rights, and especially doesn't give the the owner abeyance from following the laws on how we treat one another.

Don't some states have what is called, Castle Laws? They allow people to use force on their land.

But think about this. If you woke up and found a group of people walking through your backyard, what would you do? I would like to know if they had entered my home, I'd like to know why they are there, I'd like to know lots of stuff before I'd let them leave, if I was in the position to detain them. You would not have the ability to check your home while doing the detaining.

8 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:35:27am

re: #6 windsagio

threatening people who 'tried to escape' is a whole different deal.

He wasn't chasing them off his private property, he was threatening to set his dog on them and/or shoot them if they tried to escape him.

That's kind of fucked up by any standard.

I think you can detain someone you suspect of a crime until law enforcement arrives.

Frankly, I think this guy is working hard to challenge the current laws and he will keep doing so until the Supreme Court hears a case regarding this issue.

9 windsagio  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:36:47am

re: #8 ggt

I still just want to figure out the 'assault' part. That's probably the key to the whole thing :p

10 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:40:25am

re: #9 windsagio

I still just want to figure out the 'assault' part. That's probably the key to the whole thing :p

I am guessing they got scared.... Well if they are breaking the law, maybe they should be scared.

This case makes no sense, especially with this court. I am thinking there are shenanigans involved here which we are unaware of.

11 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:42:45am

I've tried googling it all different ways --even tried the Supreme Court.gov page. I can't find anything more.

12 windsagio  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:44:43am

I suppose its about the difference between battery and assault.

13 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:45:10am

re: #11 ggt

I've tried googling it all different ways --even tried the Supreme Court.gov page. I can't find anything more.

figures....

I feel a disturbance in the force, of information flow...

14 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:45:59am

[Link: www.maldef.org...]

In November 2004, the Morales family and their friend Emma English, all United States citizens, were assaulted by border vigilante Roger Barnett while they were hunting on state land in southern Arizona. Armed with a semi-automatic military-style assault rifle, Barnett held them at gunpoint, cursed and screamed racial slurs at them, and threatened to kill them.

At the trial court, Barnett was convicted by a jury of his peers and the family was awarded monetary compensation for their damages. Although Barnett claimed that this was a case involving the protection of private property, the court ruled that Barnett's actions were racially motivated, outrageous, and offensive.

[Link: www.maldef.org...]

In 2005, MALDEF brought a lawsuit on behalf of 16 plaintiffs to recover damages for injuries inflicted upon them by the Barnetts. The group, including a young teenage girl, were resting near a state highway along the Arizona-Mexico Border when they were accosted by Roger Barnett and his wife, armed and accompanied by a large dog. The Barnetts held the unarmed group of terrified men and women at gunpoint and kicked one of the women as she lay on the ground. In March of 2008, the United States District Court for Arizona denied all of the Barnetts' motions to dismiss and ordered that the case move forward to trial.

In February 2009, a civil jury found in favor of the women plaintiffs and awarded damages on their claims of assault and intentional infliction of emotional distress. The case was a victory in favor of the plaintffs who suffered unjustly from Barnett's extreme and hateful antics.

15 windsagio  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:48:11am

hrm, public land, or no?

If its leased grazing land it could be both, but he probably wouldn't have property rights.

If he literally kicked somebody while they were down that clears some things up too.

16 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:48:37am

I just googled the: The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund

Their website

"Justice has finally been served for the plaintiffs, a group of immigrants who were attacked by Roger Barnett while resting on public land near Douglas, Arizona. Armed with a gun and accompanied by a large dog, Barnett held the group captive, threatening that his dog would attack and that he would shoot anyone who tried to leave. Barnett kicked a defenseless woman as she lay on the ground during the encounter."

17 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:49:17am

re: #15 windsagio

hrm, public land, or no?

If its leased grazing land it could be both, but he probably wouldn't have property rights.

If he literally kicked somebody while they were down that clears some things up too.

Yeah, that is not cool!

I don't know about rights on leased land. Probably a States Rights issue. I have a feeling this guy is on a mission . . . .

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:49:17am

Brave man with a gun, physically attacking women. Move over, Tony Bologna, the right has a new hero!

19 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:50:32am

re: #14 Sergey Romanov

hmmm, details have a way of bringing light to previously murky situations. Barnett may, just may, equal douche bag.

20 windsagio  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:52:05am

the only real question is still 'on his ranch'.

What exactly does that mean, or is it just wrong, or is Maldef wrong?

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:52:11am

[Link: www.maldef.org...]

This has more details.

22 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:52:26am

As usual, Lizards pick-up where the MSM has left out . . .

23 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:55:45am

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.maldef.org...]

This has more details.

Yeah, guy is an asshole multiplied.

People will take the law into their own hands when they feel like Justice isn't being done.

It's a bad situation all around.

Brave New World -- the border law situation is going to have to be dealt with sooner rather than later.

First step,IMHO, legalize marijuana!

24 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:56:21am

what the MSM will focus on is that these are illegal immigrants that have been awarded money.

Hmm, does claiming one is detaining these people under a citizen;s arrest count for anything? Of course with the understanding that no abuse has transpired.

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:56:33am
Roger Barnett yelled at Plaintiff Ana Maria Vicente, one of the women resting under the bush, shouting in Spanish, "Levantate perra!" (Get up, bitch!). She did not stand up because she feared the dog, which continued to bark menacingly. Roger Barnett then kicked her hard as she lay down on the ground.

Nice. The only problem for Mr. Barnett is the wrong country and the wrong century. He would have been a great Wachmann.

26 windsagio  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:57:21am

My dog is hungry, and he's hungry for ass!

If this story weren't so awful, that'd be really funny.

27 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:58:41am

re: #23 ggt

First step,IMHO, legalize marijuana!

huh?, what did you say? oh yeah, cool.... Hey, you gonna eat that Twinkie?

But yes... I am in agreement. Why should another have the right to tell me what I can and cannot ingest, imbibe, or inhale, as long as I do not infringe upon the Rights of others?

28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:59:28am

Point 41 in the complaint is rather interesting.

29 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:00:26am

re: #27 boxhead

huh?, what did you say? oh yeah, cool... Hey, you gonna eat that Twinkie?

But yes... I am in agreement. Why should another have the right to tell me what I can and cannot ingest, imbibe, or inhale, as long as I do not infringe upon the Rights of others?

I think the drug trade is a lot of what is wrong with Mexico. People have a real incentive to leave --not just to come to the US, but to LEAVE Mexico.

30 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:01:15am

re: #26 windsagio

My dog is hungry, and he's hungry for ass!

If this story weren't so awful, that'd be really funny.

really scared of replying to your post.... Is that you Barnett?

31 windsagio  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:01:27am

re: #28 Sergey Romanov

Point 41 in the complaint is rather interesting.

43 too, he was known for going off his property to do this.

32 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:01:36am

re: #28 Sergey Romanov

Point 41 in the complaint is rather interesting.

Guess they thought it was so obvious they didn't need to mention it.

?

33 windsagio  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:02:49am

re: #30 boxhead

gotta admit its a damn weird turn of phrase.

re: #29 ggt

I think the drug trade is a lot of what is wrong with Mexico. People have a real incentive to leave --not just to come to the US, but to LEAVE Mexico.

also, cutting down the drug trade would simplify border enforcement a LOT and get rid of a lot of coyotes.

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:03:20am

re: #32 ggt

Guess they thought it was so obvious they didn't need to mention it.

?

There is nothing obvious about that.

35 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:03:56am

re: #29 ggt

I think the drug trade is a lot of what is wrong with Mexico. People have a real incentive to leave --not just to come to the US, but to LEAVE Mexico.

and, imho, a lot less regulations on companies acting within Mexico's borders. Exhibit #1 would be the fact that the world's richest man is in Mexico.

36 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:05:20am

re: #33 windsagio

gotta admit its a damn weird turn of phrase.

re: #29 ggt

also, cutting down the drug trade would simplify border enforcement a LOT and get rid of a lot of coyotes.

I did some research on the Mexican Immigration issue some time ago. What I found out is that people from Mexico have been coming and going since the Mexican-American War. Until the War on Drugs it wasn't such big issue. Well, it was--Ceasar Chavez and all, but not an MAJOR ELECTION issue --not like it is now.

In the past, those coming and going were workers --now they are both workers and baddy baddy criminals. The War on Drugs has created the situation, IMHO.

37 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:11:52am

re: #36 ggt

I did some research on the Mexican Immigration issue some time ago. What I found out is that people from Mexico have been coming and going since the Mexican-American War. Until the War on Drugs it wasn't such big issue. Well, it was--Ceasar Chavez and all, but not an MAJOR ELECTION issue --not like it is now.

In the past, those coming and going were workers --now they are both workers and baddy baddy criminals. The War on Drugs has created the situation, IMHO.

The movements of the indigenous peoples along USA and Mexico's borders has been going on for a very long time. Papago, or Tohono O'odham as they are known now, have always called the Sonoran Desert home. The desert covers both USA and Mexican lands.

Just trying to muddy the waters... :)

38 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:14:10am

This Barnett guy is worse than an asshole.

He and so many others are objectifying individuals --Mexican's-- and de-humaninzing them to the point they think they can behave his way towards another human being.

It's part of the insidious Vice of Power --that Christianity is supposed to help people work against. I say that because I suspect Barnett et. al consider themselves Christians as well as "wronged Americans".

This is what upsets me most about this story. There is a big gaping whole in the law and/or enforcement of our borders --criminals are getting thru and bad stuff is going on. It needs to be faced and resolved.

But not this way.

39 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:15:24am

re: #37 boxhead

The movements of the indigenous peoples along USA and Mexico's borders has been going on for a very long time. Papago, or Tohono O'odham as they are known now, have always called the Sonoran Desert home. The desert covers both USA and Mexican lands.

Just trying to muddy the waters... :)

I'm going to bed --so there!

40 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:15:32am

re: #38 ggt

This Barnett guy is worse than an asshole.

He and so many others are objectifying individuals --Mexican's-- and de-humaninzing them to the point they think they can behave his way towards another human being.

This is the same problem as in the child abuse thread....

41 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:15:53am

re: #39 ggt

I'm going to bed --so there!

nite

42 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:16:55am

re: #40 boxhead

This is the same problem as in the child abuse thread...

Exactly!

I've talked about the "insidious vice of power" meme (which I learned from Frederick Douglas BTW) before. Objectifying human beings is at the heart of it.

People are NOT THINGS.

43 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:17:03am

re: #8 ggt

I think you can detain someone you suspect of a crime until law enforcement arrives.

Not trespassing. Unless another test has been met such as property damage, theft, interference with business activities, etc. you don't get to detain people for simple trespass. You ask them to leave. If they refuse then you call the cops.

44 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:17:42am

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Not trespassing. Unless another test has been met such as property damage, theft, interference with business activities, etc. you don't get to detain people for simple trespass. You ask them to leave. If they refuse then you call the cops.

Thanks or the clarification, gdf!

now, I am really going to bed!

45 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:20:41am

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Not trespassing. Unless another test has been met such as property damage, theft, interference with business activities, etc. you don't get to detain people for simple trespass. You ask them to leave. If they refuse then you call the cops.

ok... but just for arguments sake, if you find people in your yard and do not know if your home has been burglarized or loved ones within harmed, can you not detain them until backup, police, whatever arrives and sorts things out?

46 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:32:44am

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

I think it depends: [Link: www.straightdope.com...]

47 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:34:49am

re: #46 000G

I think it depends: [Link: www.straightdope.com...]

nice link

48 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:36:29am

re: #45 boxhead

ok... but just for arguments sake, if you find people in your yard and do not know if your home has been burglarized or loved ones within harmed, can you not detain them until backup, police, whatever arrives and sorts things out?

Very, very, very risky. If you've got a camera phone then take pictures of them and tell them not to come back, then call the cops. In one of my past jobs we had to evict people from the premises quite frequently, the rule was ask them nicely to leave three times then call the cops.

Note that this is different from the Castle Doctrine or Shopkeepers Privilege, simple outdoors trespass in and of itself is almost never considered a valid reason to detain people against their will.

49 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:40:28am

Btw, this whole discussion is rather odd for someone coming from a culture in which a lot of states uphold the freedom to roam.

50 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:42:06am

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Very, very, very risky. If you've got a camera phone then take pictures of them and tell them not to come back, then call the cops. In one of my past jobs we had to evict people from the premises quite frequently, the rule was ask them nicely to leave three times then call the cops.

Note that this is different from the Castle Doctrine or Shopkeepers Privilege, simple outdoors trespass in and of itself is almost never considered a valid reason to detain people against their will.

ok... and yes I agree with the risky part.

51 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:44:12am

re: #49 000G

Btw, this whole discussion is rather odd for someone coming from a culture that upholds the freedom to roam.

it does appear out of the norm for human nature to not have the ability to roam. The restriction from doing so is a relatively modern thing.

52 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:53:56am

re: #51 boxhead

it does appear out of the norm for human nature to not have the ability to roam. The restriction from doing so is a relatively modern thing.

It's a property rights thing. Property rights don't naturally exist. And as a common title principle they have to be established against feudalistic/aristocratic orders.

But again, it always makes sense to limit property rights relative to a society's needs. That's where the whole spiel about taxes and social safety nets comes in.

53 boxhead  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:25:08am

re: #52 000G

It's a property rights thing. Property rights don't naturally exist. And as a common title principle they have to be established against feudalistic/aristocratic orders.

But again, it always makes sense to limit property rights relative to a society's needs. That's where the whole spiel about taxes and social safety nets comes in.

ahh yes.... and a topic for a very good discussion... I read a lot of sci-fi books and one of the things I really enjoy about them is that the authors have the freedom to explore all different sorts of societal rules. Trying to intellectually explore the same ideas in meat space can and will invoke knee jerk reactions and accusations that those even considering a different way are evil, commies, nazis, etc.

I find it absurd that we as a species have already found the best way to build a society.

ahh waxing way too dramatic... a sign it is time for me to sleep....

but not at 2:18 AM... :p

54 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:04:59am

This is a generalization about the whole story. This case might be complex or not. It has made its way past a whole bunch of people with law degrees and at least one jury of people who got to hear more of the facts and interpretations than they wanted. We get to hear what small fragment of information filters through media that is biased and emotionally-charged. The answer is to let it finish its path through the courts and put some trust in the system--it's the only one we've got.

"I'm not a lawyer, but I did just finish four days jury duty." (They never let me past voir dire.)

55 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:30:28am

re: #54 Decatur Deb

(They never let me past voir dire.)

Too smart? /

56 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:33:45am

re: #55 Sergey Romanov

Too smart? /

Small town--friend of the defense lawyer.

57 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:00:29am

Quite the hobbyist...

This is the second time Barnett has been convicted of violent acts against Latinos in Southern Arizona. In 2006, he was found guilty of imprisoning and threatening to kill a Latino family from Douglas. He was ordered to pay nearly $100,000 in this case.

58 Joanne  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:43:42am

re: #57 negativ

Quite the hobbyist...

I'm curious as to whether this guy ever forked out any actual dough yet, 'cause I'm thinking, at some point, this guy has got to be reevaluating his choices.

59 H-Town  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 6:22:37am

re: #9 windsagio

I think 'assault' would be considered the threat of use of force by something such as a gun, knife or even hands. It does not have to be used to be considered assault. Pointing a gun at someone would be considered assault, say in a robbery or argument. Detaining someone committing an illegal act, with a weapon pointed at them and while waiting for the authorities to show up, should not be considered assault.

60 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 7:48:06am

re: #59 H-Town

I think 'assault' would be considered the threat of use of force by something such as a gun, knife or even hands. It does not have to be used to be considered assault. Pointing a gun at someone would be considered assault, say in a robbery or argument. Detaining someone committing an illegal act, with a weapon pointed at them and while waiting for the authorities to show up, should not be considered assault.

Being in this country illegally is a civil offense. Why should threatening to shoot them not be considered assault?

61 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 8:24:13am

I posted this in haste last night. I couldn't find references to some things I had read earlier. One thing I think I read somewhere is that Barnett bought the ranch in order to facilitate these confrontations. Here's his bio from his own business's website. An excerpt:

In August 1963, Roger managed the gas station, towed vehicles and drove 60 miles a day to work at the mines. This went on for several years and then an opening came up to work as a Deputy Sheriff for the Cochise County Sheriff’s Office (part of the area of patrol is the historic town of Tombstone, AZ). The Sheriff’s job paid less money but Roger took the job because the wear and tear and cost of driving 60 miles a day made up for the lower wage. Roger’s decision to become a deputy actually enhanced the towing business. He would respond and investigate accidents and make arrests during his shift. The competing tow companies were less than reliable and if the vehicle was still on the side of the road after his police shift was over he would go out and tow the vehicle to the yard. This made for some fun moments when a person got out of jail and came to get his car and found out the deputy was also the tow truck driver.

Another one:

Roger’s latest interest is with our National Security. Roger and his wife, Barbara, and brother, Donald, spend most every weekend at the Cross Rail Ranch. The ranch is a working cattle ranch and was purchased by Roger in 1995. The 22,000 acre ranch is about 1 mile from the Mexico/United States border in Southeastern Arizona. His small squad patrols the ranch and have actually observed and reported over 14,000 illegal border crossers in the last 10 years. The United States Border Patrol responds to his call and picks up the illegal aliens and ships them back to their country of origin. In the last 10 years they have actually stopped shipments of drugs from entering the United States numerous times. Roger believes that the citizens of the United States have the right to protect their property and in doing so supports the Constitution of the United States. He feels “It is time we take our Country back.”

I think that backs up the idea that he bought the ranch to go immigrant hunting. Otherwise it might say how many head of what kind of cattle he's raising, like normal ranchers do.

62 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 8:58:44am

From Time Magazine, Aug 29, 1999:

.... In Arizona, the border patrol is no longer the only obstacle. Now there is Roger Barnett, a 56-year-old rancher and former deputy sheriff who has discovered a new sport. Every Sunday he heads out onto his land with an assault rifle, a 9-mm handgun, high-powered binoculars, a two-way radio and his dog Mikey to capture immigrants crossing his 22,000-acre property, which sits between the border and the highway. He says he is tired of the plastic water bottles and bags illegals scatter over his land. Migrants trying to quench their thirst have also broken the hoses on his water-storage tanks, draining thousands of gallons meant for his cows. In the last year, Barnett estimates, he has captured more than 1,000 illegals--once 86 in a single day--and turned them over to the Border Patrol. (He has also intercepted a shipment of marijuana.) "This is an M-16 fully automatic," he says, looking out over the desert landscape of sagebrush and mesquite on a recent morning. "It's a war out here."

His war is intensely political, the us-versus-them battle heard throughout the debate over illegal immigration. "They've got no right to be in the U.S.," he says. "If the U.S. doesn't control this before too long we're going to have so many illegal aliens that we'll be no better off than Mexico." Barnett, who has been accused of vigilantism by immigrants-rights groups, says he's simply doing what the government is not. He also admits that the hunter in him enjoys tracking migrants. Earlier this year, friends from Ohio carved a free day into a business trip so they could join Barnett and his brother looking for illegals. They caught several dozen. "Humans," Barnett says. "That's the greatest prey there is on earth. They're your equal."

He pulls his pickup off the highway to a spot where he says migrants often hide while they wait for rides. The dog jumps the guardrail and starts barking. Barnett follows, his rifle slung over his shoulder. People are running away. "Hombre! Hombre!" he shouts. The dog corners them in a clearing, seven men and a woman. Barnett marches them out to the road and radios his wife to call the Border Patrol. The agent who arrives seems grateful for the help. "If I lived out here," he says, loading the migrants into his truck, "I'd pretty much do the same thing." ...

Emphasis added.

63 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 9:04:51am

re: #19 boxhead

hmmm, details have a way of bringing light to previously murky situations. Barnett may, just may, equal douche bag.

Douche bags serve a good purpose. This guy is scum.

64 DesertDenizen  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 9:06:21am

Speaking as a resident of Cochise County who has had passing acquaintence with the Barnett family, they are like Paulians here. They have very narrow but exceedingly deep support. They still seem to regard themselves as a sort of aristocracy here. His bio includes inaccuracies designed to improve his standing in Right Wing circles, such as the mention of Tombstone. The Cochise County Sheriff's Department does not patrol Tombstone. Tombstone is an incorporated City and has had an appointed Marshall and Marshall's Deputies since 1879.

65 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 9:06:54am
What They Really Need Is a Wyatt Earp
Commentary
Immigration: The situation along the border in Arizona has reached a flash point.
May 07, 2000|SERGIO MUNOZ | Sergio Munoz, an editorial writer for The Times, writes an occasional column on the Americas

It's an ugly range war, something out of the pages of the Wild West. On one side, playing the roles of the old cattlemen, are some ranchers who say they are mad as hell and are not taking it anymore. One of them, Roger Barnett, recently told USA Today that he and his brother apprehended 174 illegal immigrants one weekend on his 22,000-acre ranch and turned them over to the Border Patrol. Barnett was quoted as saying that he had detained thousands of trespassers over the last two years and that he was "prepared to take a life if I have to."

[...]

Emphasis added.

66 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 9:55:25am

re: #64 DesertDenizen

One thing I love reminded big 2nd amendment dudes who fetishize the Wild West is that in most towns you weren't allowed to openly carry pistols. The Marshall collected them.

67 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 7, 2011 10:01:25am

re: #66 Obdicut

One thing I love reminded big 2nd amendment dudes who fetishize the Wild West is that in most towns you weren't allowed to openly carry pistols. The Marshall collected them.

Well, that's what happens when all people know if it is stuff they get from comics and westerns. It's highly romanticized, like so many periods of American history are, and becomes a great vehicle for people to long for a past that never existed.


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Godzilla vs. Kong - Official Trailer In theaters and streaming exclusively on @HBOMax* March 26. *Available on @HBOMax in the US only, for 31 days, at no extra cost to subscribers. godzillavskong.comfacebook.cominstagram.com@GodzillaVsKong --- From Warner Bros. Pictures and Legendary Pictures comes the long-awaited face-off between two ...
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Mike Garson - What Is This Thing Called Jazz You probably don't know who Mike Garson is, but you've heard his music; notably in Bowie's "Life on Mars" and "Lady Grinning Soul" Mike Garson and the Mike Garson Quartet performs one of Mike's compositions called What Is This ...
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Jon Batiste - I NEED YOU Listen to “I NEED YOU” and pre-order my new album “WE ARE” available March 19: jon-batiste.lnk.to Shop merch: jonbatistestore.com Follow Jon:Instagram: jon-batiste.lnk.toFacebook: jon-batiste.lnk.toTwitter: jon-batiste.lnk.toSpotify: jon-batiste.lnk.to Apple Music: jon-batiste.lnk.toAmazon: jon-batiste.lnk.toSoundcloud: jon-batiste.lnk.toPandora: jon-batiste.lnk.toYouTube Music: jon-batiste.lnk.to Official Website: jonbatiste.com Video Credits:Director: Alan ...
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Foo Fighters - Waiting on a War (Official Video) 289K Foo Fighters // “Waiting On A War” // Out Now: foofighters.co Medicine At Midnight // The New Album Available Feb. 5 2021Pre-Order // Pre-Save: foofighters.co Director: Paola Kudacki Executive Producer: Liz Silver Producer: Matthew Shattuck Director of Photography: ...
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Ant Clemons & Justin Timberlake: ‘Better Days’ Better days are ahead. Thank you, Justin Timberlake and Ant Clemons for sharing your talent with us tonight! #Inauguration2021 Learn more about the Inauguration: bideninaugural.org Shop Official Inauguration Merch: store.bideninaugural.org Follow the Biden - Harris Presidential Inaugural Committee!Twitter: @BidenInaugural ...
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Metric - Auld Anxi - Official Audio My friend Amy told me she always thought of the classic NYE song “Auld Lang Syne” as being old anxiiiiii... like an abbreviation of old anxiety lol. So spot on right now.  I love when Jimmy’s vox come in for ...
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Lady Gaga’s MIXED METER Star Spangled Banner?! Analyzing Lady Gaga's version of the star spangled banner she sang for Joe Biden's inauguration. It's pretty cool!Support me on Patreon: patreon.com it's thisYouTube (⌐■_■) ⦿ Adam Neely T-shirts! ⦿teespring.com ⦿ SUPPORT ME ON PATREON ⦿patreon.com ⦿ FOLLOW ME ...
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I Know It’s Over- the SmithsI know it's over - still I clingI don't know where else I can goOver, over, over, over and overOver and over Dedicated to MAGAts, Qanons, and, most especially, Trump.
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HAVASI — the Storm — Premiere at the Franz Liszt Academy of Music Havasi is a Hungarian composer known for building cultural bridges through music (note the Taiko drummers used for this.) This video was recorded at the world premiere of 'HAVASI Symphonic' at the Franz Liszt Academy of Music in Budapest ...
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