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1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:01:01pm

Riiiiight.

Because your average 12 year old is itching to get a shot.

2 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:20:12pm

re: #1 EmmmieG

Riiight.

Because your average 12 year old is itching to get a shot.

And can figure out how to file the insurance claim.

I think the vaccine is wonderful and like any other vaccine that prevents disease, people ought to be lining up for it.

But I have a really hard time thinking that it's OK for the state to provide this to 12-year-olds without parental consent. Whose consent is needed to administer it - the 12-year-old? A teacher? The doctor? Who? There are forms that have to be signed for vaccines, describing possible side-effects, etc. Who will sign these accepting responsibility for any side effects?

3 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:06:19am
Brown Signs California Bill Letting 12-Year-Olds Get HPV Vaccine Without Parents' Consent

Good. Why do so-called "limited government" conservatives need for the government to tell them what their own children are doing?

Besides, for the Susan Smiths of CA who are forced by traditional family values to wake up with their Christian Coalition stepfathers on top of them, the idea of "parental consent" might as well be a death sentence. This law is for them.

Bravo, Gov Brown. This is one reason I voted for you.

4 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:15:43am

re: #2 reine.de.tout

The medical ethics of a situation like this are a little grey, but since there is less harm in being vaccinated than there is in being unvaccinated, I don't think the informed consent issue is a huge one hear. The vaccine has very few possible side effects. The only side effects are the ones that are common for all vaccinations.

5 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:29:32am

re: #4 Obdicut

The medical ethics of a situation like this are a little grey, but since there is less harm in being vaccinated than there is in being unvaccinated, I don't think the informed consent issue is a huge one hear. The vaccine has very few possible side effects. The only side effects are the ones that are common for all vaccinations.

I hear what you're saying, and it's my personal opinion that parents who do not take advantage of every possible means to protect their kids are complete idiots.

That said, I'm still not at all comfortable with the idea that minor children can be given a medical treatment without the consent of the parents.

Whether side effects are "common" for all vaccinations or not - WHOSE consent is needed? Who decides to seek the vaccination for the child - the child or some authority figure in the child's life? Who signs the papers? Do parents at least get a notification to be on the lookout for any possible side effects? Does this apply to all vaccinations or are parents still allowed to "opt out" of standard childhood vaccinations for various reasons, and if they are, why allow opt out for standard vaccinations but allow this particular one?


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