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1 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:57:02pm

It’s more than just Christians mourning…

2 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:16:38pm

I guess this means that the “evangelicals” (of angels?) don’t consider Copts to be a cult./

3 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:59:18pm

re: #2 Naso Tang

I guess this means that the “evangelicals” (of angels?) don’t consider Copts to be a cult./

?

I guess you aren’t interested in those killed
okey-dokey, then.

4 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:42:18pm

re: #3 reine.de.tout

Don’t be silly. I am being sarcastic about the hypocrisy within all these different Christian “sects” calling each other “cults”.

Did you forget to take your antisensitivity pill today?

5 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:08:53pm

re: #4 Naso Tang

Don’t be silly. I am being sarcastic about the hypocrisy within all these different Christian “sects” calling each other “cults”.

Did you forget to take your antisensitivity pill today?

No. Did you?
What’s silly (really, sick in my mind) is taking some news about some violence and violent deaths, as an opportunity to make a smart-ass quip about something you hold dear, your disdain for religion. That’s what’s “silly”.

6 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:31:14pm

I have heard really sick, in my mind, commentary from so called Christians lately; but when it comes to Muslims against Christians they are temporarily all one in mourning./

When did Christians last declare three days of mourning for non Christian deaths as a result of bigotry?

My comment mean no disrespect to those most recently killed, but this pretense of unity and togetherness is mostly driven by an even greater antagonism towards another religion. That is what I addressed.

7 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:38:17pm

re: #6 Naso Tang

I have heard really sick, in my mind, commentary from so called Christians lately; but when it comes to Muslims against Christians they are temporarily all one in mourning./

When did Christians last declare three days of mourning for non Christian deaths as a result of bigotry?

My comment mean no disrespect to those most recently killed, but this pretense of unity and togetherness is mostly driven by an even greater antagonism towards another religion. That is what I addressed.

1) Whether you meant disrespect or not, it is what you showed. You took a story about violence and death and used it to make the point you usually like to make about religion in general. Lovely.

2) The incident took place in Egypt. The incident is what it is. There is nothing I saw in the article to suggest that the unity is driven by antagonism towards another religion. And I certainly did nothing to suggest that.

3) What sort of antagonism drove the violence toward the Christians, and why is that antagonism not as big a concern to you? It’s OK, apparently, to be antagonistic toward Christians? That’s your message; and it came through loud and clear.

8 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:31:41pm

No, you can just as well call Charles antagonistic against all Christians for bringing to light the bigots and hypocrites among them.

I would like to point out to you that there have been hundred if not thousands of Christians massacred in more southern parts of Africa in the recent past, but I didn’t see any calls for 3 days of mourning for them, nor, for example, for the many times more Libyans killed every day, but not due to religious bigotry, just other kinds.

I question just why this sudden concern for 2 dozen tragic deaths when I don’t see any proportionality to what else goes on daily on the planet, with what is clearly a false unity between countless Christian sect who all think only they are right.

I also take offense to your pious expectation of immunity to criticism.

9 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:17:53pm

re: #8 Naso Tang

No, you can just as well call Charles antagonistic against all Christians for bringing to light the bigots and hypocrites among them.

I would like to point out to you that there have been hundred if not thousands of Christians massacred in more southern parts of Africa in the recent past, but I didn’t see any calls for 3 days of mourning for them, nor, for example, for the many times more Libyans killed every day, but not due to religious bigotry, just other kinds.

I question just why this sudden concern for 2 dozen tragic deaths when I don’t see any proportionality to what else goes on daily on the planet, with what is clearly a false unity between countless Christian sect who all think only they are right.

I also take offense to your pious expectation of immunity to criticism.

I’ve made plenty of my own criticisms; you need to pay attention.
As to who piously expects to be immune to criticism - you should probably look in the mirror.

10 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:18:43pm

re: #8 Naso Tang

No, you can just as well call Charles antagonistic against all Christians for bringing to light the bigots and hypocrites among them.

I would like to point out to you that there have been hundred if not thousands of Christians massacred in more southern parts of Africa in the recent past, but I didn’t see any calls for 3 days of mourning for them, nor, for example, for the many times more Libyans killed every day, but not due to religious bigotry, just other kinds.

I question just why this sudden concern for 2 dozen tragic deaths when I don’t see any proportionality to what else goes on daily on the planet, with what is clearly a false unity between countless Christian sect who all think only they are right.

I also take offense to your pious expectation of immunity to criticism.

And honestly? You should try to get over being “offended”. Really.

11 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:46:18pm

You really are in a bad mood tonight. Hope you feel better soon.

I question this false front of unity due to a relatively small number of Christians, which I find every bit as troubling as you, resulting in a supposed nationwide call for 3 days of mourning.

If they want to be consistent about the value of human life, I guarantee that there will be cause for 3 days of mourning every three days, for as long as we shall live.

I question the reasons for this sudden pretense of unity, as should have been evident from my first post, or at least the second or third.

As to your accusations of disdain for religion, yes I have disdain for organized religion, and I can find reason for that at any number of TV channels suckering people out of their money in the name of Jesus.

I don’t have disdain for you, but I admit you piss me off a bit this evening.

Goodnight.

12 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:51:23am

re: #8 Naso Tang

That’s just a fallacy. Sure, maybe this story is getting popular and more attention because it involves an area with a lot of recent news and where people were afraid this would happen. Maybe it’s because it involves Muslims. But the mourning is still a ‘good’ thing, it’s still a respectful thing, and it’s something I’d expect whether these groups were religious or non-religious. I mean, I feel bad for those Copts, and I have no association with them other than humanity. And sure, I also know about the massacres, famines, and deaths from AIDs of people in Africa, and sure it makes this pale in comparison, if numbers are all that matters.

But they’re not. That’s the fallacy. There’s nothing about ethics that says we have to mourn tragedies in order of decreasing magnitude, or that we can’t be shocked by a new tragedy and feel it intensely, even while old tragedies of greater impact are happening.

I think the world’s neglect of and exploitation of Africa is and has been and probably will continue to be appalling. I think we owe a lot of apologies and aid for the places that we screwed over by turning them into proxy war zones.

But that doesn’t mean that we have to mourn the largest number of people killed at any one time.


Did you bother to read the article, by the way? The most that could be said in your defense is that this is a slightly misleading headline; all the article really talks about is Coptic Christians mourning what happened.

13 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:11:51am

re: #12 Obdicut

Perfectly perfect.

14 Achilles Tang  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:03:17am

re: #12 Obdicut

That’s just a fallacy. Sure, maybe this story is getting popular and more attention because it involves an area with a lot of recent news and where people were afraid this would happen. Maybe it’s because it involves Muslims. But the mourning is still a ‘good’ thing, it’s still a respectful thing, and it’s something I’d expect whether these groups were religious or non-religious. I mean, I feel bad for those Copts, and I have no association with them other than humanity. And sure, I also know about the massacres, famines, and deaths from AIDs of people in Africa, and sure it makes this pale in comparison, if numbers are all that matters.

But they’re not. That’s the fallacy. There’s nothing about ethics that says we have to mourn tragedies in order of decreasing magnitude, or that we can’t be shocked by a new tragedy and feel it intensely, even while old tragedies of greater impact are happening.

I think the world’s neglect of and exploitation of Africa is and has been and probably will continue to be appalling. I think we owe a lot of apologies and aid for the places that we screwed over by turning them into proxy war zones.

But that doesn’t mean that we have to mourn the largest number of people killed at any one time.

Did you bother to read the article, by the way? The most that could be said in your defense is that this is a slightly misleading headline; all the article really talks about is Coptic Christians mourning what happened.

Much better said than Reine last night.

I don’t disagree with anything you say and I sympathize as much as you with the Copts in Egypt. At about 10% of the population they make me think of the blacks in the the US not terribly long ago.

Yes I reacted to the headline and allegation of all Christians in the USA and gave reasons why. It is one thing to make announcements of solidarity or concern, it is another to announce Three Days Of Mourning, since then one needs to mourn continuously, as I already said.

15 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:17:27am

re: #14 Naso Tang

Failure to read the article is the #1 cause of flamewar meltdown.

16 Achilles Tang  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 11:18:17am

I started no flame war. I made a sarcastic reference to current Christian divisions of the Perry kind, as well as the first sentence in the post, and then got lambasted for my supposed disdain of Christians or religion in general. That is kind of like saying if one criticizes someone’s political party one must be against democracy.

Changing subject, since I have your attention, did you see my earlier suggestion to duplicate your 99% survey at a Tea Party rally? I think it might be interesting.


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