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1 simoom  Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:52:40pm

From the Wired article:

But Hinojosa does promise that, “The Department will review complaints, as it always does, that indicate a pattern of misconduct or criminal misconduct.” The DoJ helpfully sent along the link where you can lodge a complaint.

Don’t expect much response if you do file one, however.

Unsupported hyperbole.

2 Bob Dillon  Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:25:52pm

OPD has been undermanned and overworked for far too long. Ultraviolence from the residents and/or imported thugs directed at the LEOs is the norm here going back to the 60s. If you want to protest ... fine. But when you are given an order by an officer it is wise to start moving your ass quickly in the direction given or be willing to accept potential oncoming trauma. The Marine was wrong. If he got his skull cracked in a civil skuff-up I wonder how he survived 2 deployments in Iraq unless he was pushing paper. Very poor judgement on the Marines part IMNSHO.

3 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 27, 2011 11:20:06pm

re: #2 Bobibutu

OPD has been undermanned and overworked for far too long. Ultraviolence from the residents and/or imported thugs directed at the LEOs is the norm here going back to the 60s. If you want to protest ... fine. But when you are given an order by an officer it is wise to start moving your ass quickly in the direction given or be willing to accept potential oncoming trauma. The Marine was wrong. If he got his skull cracked in a civil skuff-up I wonder how he survived 2 deployments in Iraq unless he was pushing paper. Very poor judgement on the Marines part IMNSHO.

Too bad the video of the incident doesn't agree with your idea that his injuries were justified. Nor the fact that OPD threw a concussive grenade into the group of people who were attempting to assist him when he was injured.

4 laZardo  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:44:52am

Pigs and piglovers.

5 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:26:10am

re: #2 Bobibutu

If he got his skull cracked in a civil skuff-up I wonder how he survived 2 deployments in Iraq unless he was pushing paper.

Because random chance exists.

No need to try to smear the guy's service.

6 Bob Dillon  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:25:10am

re: #5 Obdicut

No smear on his service. Marines are trained to not wind up like that and to obey orders. He obviously did that while deployed. And, did not while, for whatever reason felt compelled to engage in some civil disobedience. Yes, random chance exists.

7 Bob Dillon  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:29:10am

re: #3 RadicalModerate

Too bad the video of the incident doesn't agree with your idea that his injuries were justified. Nor the fact that OPD threw a concussive grenade into the group of people who were attempting to assist him when he was injured.

[Video]

I did not say it was justified. I said he was wrong, as a Marine, for getting himself involved in this. His situational awareness sucked. He paid the price.

8 Bob Dillon  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:14:50am

Put another way. If he is still active duty, the crack on his skull will be like an angels kiss in comparison with what his platoon sergeant and CO have in store for him when he recovers. Having served - I speak from experience rather than assumption or opinion.

9 RogueOne  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:20:15am

re: #4 laZardo

Pigs and piglovers.

The proper term is "badge licker"

10 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 8:28:51am

re: #8 Bobibutu

I don't see where a Marine should take any crap for protesting at Occupy. This is not an anti government or anti military protest. Occupy is a protest about the economy and undue corporate/bank influence. Apart from thjose topics, any interference is inexcusable.

11 Boondocksaint  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 8:37:26am

re: #8 Bobibutu

u trollin bro?

12 Bob Dillon  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 9:05:03am

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

The MSM started using his military status to hype this up. I don't know if he is still active duty. My point is - if he is putting USMC "property" at risk outside the context of orders he is going to have a problem when he next reports for duty. If he has been separated or discharged then his former military status is being used by the MSM to further escalate emotions. I have no problem with him protesting. I do have a problem with him putting himself in a situation resulting in his being injured. That is why boot camp for Marine recruits is so tough. When Marines ignore their training or for whatever reason screw up there is a high probability of damaging U.S. Government Property or terminating it. This is not looked upon in a kindly manner by their NCOs and officers who are responsible for their charges well being.

13 snowsmith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 9:42:53am

re: #12 Bobibutu

Do your homework. [Link: www.enewspf.com...]

Scott Olsen is a former Marine. I expect your apology immediately.

14 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 9:10:14pm

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

I don't see where a Marine should take any crap for protesting at Occupy. This is not an anti government or anti military protest. Occupy is a protest about the economy and undue corporate/bank influence. Apart from thjose topics, any interference is inexcusable.

In New York, that is true. But Occupy Wall Street does not attempt to prevent the NYPD from entering its camp or claim to have taken the right to judge and punish those who violate the rights of others, whereas Occupy Oakland has done both of those things. That places the Oakland group into the category of open defiance of duly constituted authority, and that changes things massively.

15 Bob Dillon  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:59:48am

[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

Brooks said a general strike was a "natural progression'' following a crackdown by the city of Oakland early on Tuesday morning in which protesters were evicted from a plaza near city hall and 85 people were arrested.

Protesters sought to retake that plaza on Tuesday night and were repeatedly driven back by police using stun grenades and tear gas. It was during one of those clashes that protesters say Olsen was struck in the head by a tear gas canister fired by police.

The hospital has confirmed Olsen was hurt during the protest, but could not say how he was wounded. Acting Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan had told a news conference his department was investigating the incident.

He said police had fired tear gas and bean-bag projectiles when protesters defied orders to disperse. He also said that some demonstrators had pelted police with rocks and bottles.

BTW - it was Alameda County Sheriffs who were involved in this specific incident - not OPD according to later reports.

And - there is no such thing as a "former" Marine - that concept only exists in the MSMs terminology and in the minds of those that they spoon feed. Anyone who makes it thru boot camp is a Marine for life. Lots of other descriptors may be added to Marine - but former is never one of them.


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