LGF Poll: Do You Agree with Occupy Wall Street?

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LGF Poll: Do You Agree with Occupy Wall Street?

By Rightwingconspirator

Culture • October 2011 • Views: 3,883

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39 comments

freetoken Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:29:07am

Do you agree with views of Occupy Wall Street

"Views"? What "views"?

wrenchwench Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:32:19am

Would you accept this Declaration as the views which we are responding to?

If so, I have chosen "yes".

If not, can I change my vote?

Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:43:12am

re: #2 wrenchwench

I'm duplicating the poll. If I add information I distort the results. re: #1 freetoken

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

freetoken Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:57:23am

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

So far, "OWS" seems to be a kind of Rorshach test.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:08:38pm

I agree with the basic complaints that wealth disparity has gotten out of hand, again, that the rules and the "system" favor the already wealthy, again, and that our government is far too influenced by a tiny yet wealthy minority of our citizens, again.

This is by no means the first time this has happened in our laughably short history as a country (compared to the European and Asian countries) and the only solution has been what is going on now, people rising up in protest until Washington is forced to pay attention. I doubt OWS has the staying power, cohesiveness, or strength to actually effect any real change, but I kind of hope that I am wrong.

Anyway, it is at the least a step in the right direction...

Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:18:16pm

re: #4 freetoken

Of the media or the event?

Randall Gross Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:42:35pm

Too wide open to interpretation, so I had to select "don't know" although I do agree with some of their specific views.

Obdicut Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:52:26pm

re: #7 Thanos

Me too.

Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:02:28pm

Went for 'Don't Know (Yet).' If the poll had asked 'Do You Sympathize?" It would have been a loud 'Yes', but their poorly-thought out tactics and structural weakness make me think they are on the line of doing more harm than good. Ask again when they've matured into a disciplined, focused force.

CuriousLurker Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:09:33pm

re: #7 Thanos

re: #8 Obdicut

Same here.

Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:12:02pm

Anyone notice that Lawhawk's breakout of the poll on the main thread finds 27% 'Anti'? 27% not 26 or 28.

Winny Spencer Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:15:36pm

I voted no.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:36:39pm

Is LGF a lefty site now?

simoom Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:39:10pm

re: #7 Thanos

Too wide open to interpretation, so I had to select "don't know" although I do agree with some of their specific views.

Same here. I do agree with what seems to be one major sentiment of the movement, that democracy in this country has become distorted, disproportionately representing the whims of a moneyed few over the will & interests of the general populace. I'm less sold on the whole 99%/1% rhetoric as I think the uber-influential are actually tiny fraction of the 1% (lobbyists for multinational corporations, a handful of extremely politically active millionaires/billionaires, etc.)

I like that OWS seems to have shifted the public discourse to where pundits and politicians are actually discussing income inequality and social mobility, but I'm also worried the movement is so cynical about our election system's inability to address their issues (they feel it is terminally corrupt) that they'll just end up being a sink for the left's partisan energy, while not engaging in the nitty-gritty of getting folks who are the most sympathetic them elected. Kind of like John Stewart's ultimately pointless & counterproductive "Rally to Restore Sanity" on a much larger scale.

Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:40:15pm

re: #13 000G

Is LGF a lefty site now?

Oooohhh, I hope so.

Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:40:40pm

Is LGF a lefty site now?

I don't think supporting OWS makes you a lefty. Opposing it prolly means you are a right leaner. re: #13 000G
I'd say we have more left leaners than right.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:40:46pm

"Don't know."

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:40:59pm

re: #13 000G

Is LGF a lefty site now?

Yep.

Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:41:39pm

re: #12 Winny Spencer

Why? Love to hear it.

Disclosure-I voted Yes.

Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:42:29pm

re: #14 simoom

...snip. Kind of like John Stewart's ultimately pointless & counterproductive "Rally to Restore Sanity" on a much larger scale.

There hasn't been a significant Glenn Beck or Tea Party rally since our nice little gathering on the National Mall, a year ago.

Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:47:46pm

I chose no. "agree" is sort of vague. There are some policy positions I can support and others I'm opposed to. Although I have some serious disagreement with some of the various groups involved my main disagreement is more an issue of tactics and direction.

simoom Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:00:06pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

There hasn't been a significant Glenn Beck or Tea Party rally since our nice little gathering on the National Mall, a year ago.

That's true -- both Beck and the Tea Party seem to have mostly imploded.

As for the Stewart/Colbert Rally, my impression of the original concept, before Stewart joined in, was basically a Colbert parody of the Beck gathering. What it actually ended up being was a bizarre call for moderation on the eve of the 2010 elections. That was combined with Stewart making the interview rounds, just prior to the rally, with a "pox on both their houses" and "voting this time around isn't that important" message. Hopefully the unprecedented amount of voter disenfranchising, anti-abortion, anti-contraception, union busting, environmental deregulating, etc legislation all across the nation ended up being a pretty stark repudiation of that whole: "voting is mostly pointless, both parties represent the same interests and there's little difference in outcomes between either side being in power" viewpoint.

Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:07:34pm

re: #22 simoom

That's true -- both Beck and the Tea Party seem to have mostly imploded.

As for the Stewart/Colbert Rally, my impression of the original concept, before Stewart joined in, was basically a Colbert parody of the Beck gathering. What it actually ended up being was a bizarre call for moderation on the eve of the 2010 elections. That was combined with Stewart making the interview rounds, just prior to the rally, with a "pox on both their houses" and "voting this time around isn't that important" message. Hopefully the unprecedented amount of voter disenfranchising, anti-abortion, anti-contraception, union busting, environmental deregulating, etc legislation all across the nation ended up being a pretty stark repudiation of that whole: "voting is mostly pointless, both parties represent the same interests and there's little difference in outcomes between either side being in power" viewpoint.

Heh. As we speak (type), I'm talking to my son about putting me up next Fall while I do GOTV in FL.

Gus Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:38:28pm

Since everyone is confessing their vote I will ad that I voted a resounding "yes". I do not agree with every single aspect of what I've seen but support the spirit of this protest movement. It is high time that Americans got up off their rear ends to speak loud and proud at the injustice that is being perpetrated against ourselves by a small minority of Americans heretofore known as the 1 percent. This is just a dress rehearsal I might add and it will only grow in size if the plutocrats and their political enablers (of both parties) do not right this broken system.

Gus Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:41:49pm

John Lennon - Power To The People

Youtube Video

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:44:47pm

re: #25 Gus 802

John Lennon - Power To The People

[Video]

Aha! Your true agenda is Marxism-Lennonism!

Image: 2006-07-27-from-russia-with-love.jpg

Gus Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:48:13pm

re: #26 Sergey Romanov

Aha! Your true agenda is Marxism-Lennonism!

Image: 2006-07-27-from-russia-with-love.jpg

Separated at birth!

Back in the USSR is an awesome song. One of my favorites.

Youtube Video

Charleston Chew Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:56:12pm

re: #22 simoom

...Stewart making the interview rounds, just prior to the rally, with a "pox on both their houses" and "voting this time around isn't that important" message.

I'm pretty sure he said that only in your mind.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:16:33pm

re: #13 000G

Is LGF a lefty site now?

depends if you consider being angry at scumbags destroying the economy to be "lefty"

Three Chord Monty Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:34:04pm

I can't vote on this, the answers supplied are too limited. I can say that as a disabled person living a couple of blocks from Zucotti Park, it's...how much of a complaint can I reasonably offer given that the issues are much larger than my own inconvenience? However, it's tough to try to analyze it without taking into consideration that mine is a somewhat unique circumstance.

A friend put it well: the story has become the demonstration/protest, not the reason for the protest. (She also, although she is far more liberal than I am, voiced a concern about what would happen if people really did things like take all their money out of banks & Wall St. And the truth is that while putting one's money where their mouth is seems like action vs. words, the potential damage to everyday people invested in pension funds, especially from the public sector, is quite significant)

Outside of a few seemingly obvious initiatives like the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall, it's difficult to fathom how we can reign in 'corporate greed.' Part of the reason for that being...how do you define 'corporate greed' in the first place? Is there something better that we can offer than 'I know it when I see it'? Is it outsourcing? Gross profit? Percentage of profit? Who gets to define it?

I wish I had more of a sense that these people knew what the issue actually is. I wish I saw something that indicated that they understand that the police are in a tremendously difficult position, and, considering there are videos being uploaded to YouTube practically in real time, they are under tremendous scrutiny. The pepper spray & the guy swinging the baton were obviously awful. But we've got 35,000 cops in this town. After six weeks, those incidents--casting aside the issue of the Brooklyn Bridge arrests--and maybe one or two more, that's how much police brutality there's been? I'm sorry, all things considered, I think the police have, notwithstanding the obvious exceptions, generally showed professionalism and restraint.

But when they wanted to clean the park a couple of weeks ago, I saw much outrage about an imposition on people's Constitutional rights. Huh?

It doesn't take an ideologue to acknowledge there's a terrible problem that's arisen in finance and other corporate sectors. I don't know what to do to fix it, and I don't know who does (I have asked friends who post incessantly on Facebook about this what they know about p2p/microlending, stuff like Kiva, but I don't get much response). I read Matt Taibbi's coverage and cross my fingers. But ultimately, while they have been relatively successful at fending off right-wing provocateurs and demagoguery, it didn't take long before this became a protest about a protest. And on that basis my ability to look at this without taking into consideration how it has impacted on me has become rather limited. Apologies in advance for being selfish.

Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 28, 2011 5:00:16pm

re: #30 Three Chord Monty

Thanks for taking the time. Good post IMO.

Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 28, 2011 5:37:26pm

re: #30 Three Chord Monty

I can't vote on this, the answers supplied are too limited. I can say that as a disabled person living a couple of blocks from Zucotti Park, it's...how much of a complaint can I reasonably offer given that the issues are much larger than my own inconvenience? However, it's tough to try to analyze it without taking into consideration that mine is a somewhat unique circumstance.

A friend put it well: the story has become the demonstration/protest, not the reason for the protest. (She also, although she is far more liberal than I am, voiced a concern about what would happen if people really did things like take all their money out of banks & Wall St. And the truth is that while putting one's money where their mouth is seems like action vs. words, the potential damage to everyday people invested in pension funds, especially from the public sector, is quite significant)

Outside of a few seemingly obvious initiatives like the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall, it's difficult to fathom how we can reign in 'corporate greed.' Part of the reason for that being...how do you define 'corporate greed' in the first place? Is there something better that we can offer than 'I know it when I see it'? Is it outsourcing? Gross profit? Percentage of profit? Who gets to define it?

I wish I had more of a sense that these people knew what the issue actually is. I wish I saw something that indicated that they understand that the police are in a tremendously difficult position, and, considering there are videos being uploaded to YouTube practically in real time, they are under tremendous scrutiny. The pepper spray & the guy swinging the baton were obviously awful. But we've got 35,000 cops in this town. After six weeks, those incidents--casting aside the issue of the Brooklyn Bridge arrests--and maybe one or two more, that's how much police brutality there's been? I'm sorry, all things considered, I think the police have, notwithstanding the obvious exceptions, generally showed professionalism and restraint.

But when they wanted to clean the park a couple of weeks ago, I saw much outrage about an imposition on people's Constitutional rights. Huh?

It doesn't take an ideologue to acknowledge there's a terrible problem that's arisen in finance and other corporate sectors. I don't know what to do to fix it, and I don't know who does (I have asked friends who post incessantly on Facebook about this what they know about p2p/microlending, stuff like Kiva, but I don't get much response). I read Matt Taibbi's coverage and cross my fingers. But ultimately, while they have been relatively successful at fending off right-wing provocateurs and demagoguery, it didn't take long before this became a protest about a protest. And on that basis my ability to look at this without taking into consideration how it has impacted on me has become rather limited. Apologies in advance for being selfish.

Epic response. Very well done.

Charleston Chew Fri, Oct 28, 2011 5:54:33pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

Would you accept this Declaration as the views which we are responding to?

If so, I have chosen "yes".

If not, can I change my vote?

Although I marked "don't know" in this poll, I'm definitely not down with that declaration.

Lidane Fri, Oct 28, 2011 7:34:50pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Ask again when they've matured into a disciplined, focused force.

This.

I get it. I understand and absolutely sympathize with the idea of OWS. Would I agree with some written declaration or systematic views? I haven't seen anything yet to sign off on.

Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 28, 2011 8:17:24pm

We can argue against a lack of specifics. But yet we seem to nearly all agree the checks and balances have swung too far in the direction of corporate interests. Share value over product value. Corporations are "people" under the law.
So, given a terribly slow recovery and renewed peril on the economic front we get OWS. Such as it is. For all it's flaws it attempts to address an imbalance with direct grass roots advocacy. Because we have this understanding that this very imbalance caused the recession. We better hope this works.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:15:42am

re: #27 Gus 802

Separated at birth!

Back in the USSR is an awesome song. One of my favorites.

[Video]

Always popular:

Youtube Video

Joanne Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:38:51am

re: #28 Charleston Chew

I'm pretty sure he said that only in your mind.

Since I was there, I can guarantee you that's the opposite of what was said. That said, I'd have liked Stewart to have specifically stated how important it is to vote, whatever your voting stripe.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 29, 2011 8:42:49am

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 29, 2011 8:52:30am

re: #38 Sergey Romanov