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1 Bob Levin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 2:13:01pm

Oops, you're a few days behind the news cycle on this story.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 2:14:23pm

re: #1 Bob Levin

Thanks, Bob. Truly good to see such a response.

3 Bob Levin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 2:26:33pm

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

Here's the difference, going back to the other day. I expect such a response. That's the standard Israeli attitude. It is possible to make mistakes? Oh heck yes.

However, for others, this headline article simply confirms their biases.

Now, I'm going to be generous and say that this type of rather ugly conflict is built into the Western mind--as the overall culture doesn't ask us to analyze, rather it asks us to criticize. You might know the difference, because you've done the work, I believe. But for the vast majority, stuck in this binary mode of 'For' or 'Against', with the appendix of 'No opinion', the form sets you in the realm of conflict just because you wish to take on the question.

I believe our very culture forces us into unnatural modes of thought, reinforced by grammar, definitions of words, and the definition of logical argument. To get to peace, you've got to leave the Western Intellectual Tradition--which filters down from history into contemporary newspapers and broadcast news.

4 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:24:54pm

I'm sorry the man doesn't seem qualified to be ambassador if he can't summon the courage to walk out the room when populated by a fascist and Ron Paul. Just my take.

5 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:28:58pm

[Link: www.israelhayom.com...]

Israel's U.N. mission said on Thursday that Ron Prosor, the Israeli ambassador to the U.N., had mistakenly entered a U.N. event in honor of Le Pen, who has a reputation of xenophobia and anti-Semitism. French media, however, published a smiling photograph of the two standing together, and Le Pen later told the press that Prosor had both shaken her hand and stayed at the event for 20 minutes.

"No one can imagine for half a second that the ambassador took the wrong door," she said. "One cannot talk with Marine Le Pen for 20 minutes without knowing who the person is."

6 Bob Levin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:43:51pm

re: #4 Thanos

I'm sorry the man doesn't seem qualified to be ambassador if he can't summon the courage to walk out the room when populated by a fascist and Ron Paul.

I think that's a point supporting my position. I've been saying all along that Israel is a very small country, the size of a city, whose population is doing the work of a nation ten times the size.

You're assuming that everyone in the foreign service is a highly skilled diplomat. Nothing could be farther from the case. If the foreign service were so skilled, how does a state that contributes so much knowledge and beneficial technology--while constantly fending off attempts at its total annihilation--become such a pariah? Skillful diplomacy? I don't think so.

The issue is that they don't know what to do. And this is because the politicians are like city councilmen, directly concerned with their constituency to the point of being misinformed about other issues. Nevertheless, Israeli politicians need to be skilled in international relations, and on the job training is not the best learning tool.

Are you making the assumption that there is something nefarious about Prosser, where the assumption that he lacks the skill for the job will explain things just as well?

Instead you assume that he lacks moral courage. Got news. Just living in Israel means that you are morally courageous.

7 researchok  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:01:18pm

re: #4 Thanos

I'm sorry the man doesn't seem qualified to be ambassador if he can't summon the courage to walk out the room when populated by a fascist and Ron Paul. Just my take.

It's hard to believe Proser or his staff didn't know who Marine Le Pen and Ron Paul were.

8 Bob Levin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:03:55pm

re: #7 researchok

It's not hard for me to believe it. I think that's why he got in trouble.

9 Bob Levin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:06:55pm

re: #7 researchok

Diplomatically, Israel is the Cubs. I say this as a Cardinal fan. Although I have great affection for Israel. Not so much for the Cubs. ;-)

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:09:18pm

re: #4 Thanos

For me it's the official rebuke that counts most of all, not the guy's mistake.


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