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1 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:56:03am

From the article:

Akunis told Haaretz on Monday that “this is a just, logical law that eliminates an anomalous situation in which foreign states intervene in Israel’s political discourse via the conferral of money given in the form of donations to NPOs that pursue political goals. Incidentally, this pertains entirely to NPOs sponsored by the left.” The MK added that “the fact that a state such as England can donate money to a movement such as Peace Now is blatantly unfair. This is a law which will bring justice.” […]

“Operating in Israel are organizations which have the goal of denouncing the state of Israel to the world at large, and transforming IDF soldiers and officers into pariah figures, while defaming their reputations. Such organizations receive financing from foreign sources and states, and the goal of these funds is to harm and alter public discourse in Israel,” claims the preamble to this proposed bill.

Does anyone know which groups, apart from Peace Now, the Israeli government takes issue with? Just curious (and too lazy to dig for info right now).

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:25:29am

That’s what Putin did to Russian NGOs under the same rationale. Not really surprised to see the same authoritarian spirit from the right.

3 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:35:27am

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

Interesting.

4 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 3:03:17am

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

good times -_-

5 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 3:07:23am

re: #1 CuriousLurker

I’m not sure this is the exact right approach to address the problem, but it is a problem when other nations feel it’s perfectly within their right to influence even the zoning rules that every other nation takes for granted. There are considerable efforts, efforts pushing world public opinion to the point of reversing the UN’s 1948 declaration of Israel’s existence. A similar pressure could not be felt in the US or England, but it is certainly felt in Israel—and let me tell you, this is a novel experience, to feel those trying to destroy the very idea that you exist.

There is no way that Russia, or a Russian could possibly feel this. Russia, frankly, should feel pretty much invulnerable.

The fact that the proposal could be greatly flawed does not make the problem vanish.

On the other hand, Israel has hired European PR firms to see what they can do to bolster Israel’s image, which is slowly drifting into the stereotypes of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion—you know, blood libels, having horns and tails, working with the devil for world domination. Some people may have run across these recently in their own lives. It’s becoming quite common.

6 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 3:08:54am

Oops, looks like the bully has shown up. I guess I’m out of this discussion, since there’s no flagpole to meet at after school.

7 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 3:20:48am

One more issue. If Netanyahu loses favor among the populace, then coalition breaks apart, and there are new election within weeks. However, there is near universal agreement in Israel that both Netanyahu and Fischer know more about economics than virtually anyone in the country (city).

8 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 4:59:25am

re: #5 Bob Levin

There are considerable efforts, efforts pushing world public opinion to the point of reversing the UN’s 1948 declaration of Israel’s existence.

By whom? Unless you’re referring to the usual suspects—in which case it would be nothing new—I find that to be a rather startling claim, Bob. I haven’t seen mention of such a thing anywhere; not here in the Pages, not in the MSM, and not in the English language versions of Israeli media I’ve been following.

Can you please elaborate? Preferably including links so I can try to learn more.

On the other hand, Israel has hired European PR firms to see what they can do to bolster Israel’s image, which is slowly drifting into the stereotypes of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion—you know, blood libels, having horns and tails, working with the devil for world domination. Some people may have run across these recently in their own lives. It’s becoming quite common.

That shouldn’t come as a surprise, should it? The far right is seeing a global resurgence and they’ve linked up with the extreme Christian right. Within that group you’ve got people like Pat Robertson, whose TV shows and books reach hundreds of millions across the globe, basing the “scholarship” of his writings on works by known anti-Semites, at least one of whom actually did cite The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in her work (see this and this if you stopped following the other thread). When someone like him (as well as others) makes a religious minority like Muslims the focus of his hate & fear mongering, then it’s only a matter of time before Jews become the focus (then Catholics, Mormons, atheists, etc.)

Anyway, back to my original question:

Does anyone know which groups, apart from Peace Now, the Israeli government takes issue with?

Do you happen to know?

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 5:29:19am

re: #5 Bob Levin

Bob, there is much unfair criticism and maligning of Israel, and such moves do not help to improve the situation. Quite the contrary.

10 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:56:05am

Mr Netanyahu has come out against foreign interference in politics? Awakening 2012 will be horribly disappointed.

11 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:05:19am

re: #8 CuriousLurker

The movement is called BDS, literally meaning Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions—but the D could easily stand for Delegitimization. The most recent dust up is theoretically over settlements, but the memory is short because Oslo allowed such construction. I have heard arguments, I remember one in particular on a panel discussion show. Everyone on the panel said that they all believed the Palestinians should have a state, except for the Palestinian representative, who made that case that Israel should not be there at all. This speaker did not want only a state, she wanted to see the elimination of Israel.

This particular turn, trying to destroy Israel by means other than military means came after the Arab nations realized that they weren’t going to be able to destroy Israel militarily.

It should be noted that this group of historically constant people, the truly antisemitic, are not confined to either the left or the right. Rather, they are simply looking for shelter in a cause the others will get behind. Even the Nazis were hiding under the umbrella of bringing economic progress, of fighting the kind of horrors that the world already knew Stalin was committing. They also hid under the umbrella of unifying an incredibly fragmented German political system—so fragmented that the Nazis did not win any election.

Whenever there is a movement for social change, they will be there. They may not raise their heads from under the rocks until they feel safe, but they are indeed there.

I don’t know what specific groups Netenyahu has in mind. However for us, getting into Israel, as Jewish looking a family as is possible, was difficult, spending quite a bit of time being interviewed, I guess it was at customs. They were looking for regular looking folks who come to organize events that very well might lead to bloodshed or injury. Israel is under constant assault.

12 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:10:44am

re: #9 Sergey Romanov

That’s probably why it won’t pass. His strength is economics, not so much diplomacy. Although to be fair, the world’s definition of a good Israeli diplomat is one who readily gives in to what other nations want, many times to the detriment of Israel.

Despite this, Israel doesn’t do diplomacy particularly well. It is not the landing spot of the best and the brightest.

13 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:55:05am

“Peace Now” is an organization whose entire position consists of “Settlements (Jews building houses) is the one and only impediment to Peace.” We see how the removal of all Jews from Gaza really achieved Peace Then.

14 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:33:15pm

re: #13 Alouette

I would agree. ISM would be another, but that’s just speculation on what Bibi is thinking. Whoever is organizing the civilian blockade busters flotillas, that’s another group to ponder. Again, all of this activism is under the umbrella of some very noble concepts, applied to the wrong situation, which will result in bloodshed, violence, and the death—more speculation, of Jews.

Amazing coincidence.

15 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 3:22:45pm

re: #11 Bob Levin

I appreciate the info. I’d heard of BDS thanks to some of the Pages here, but only had what I tend to regard as more or less a “Twitter version”1 of what it’s about. I’ll read up on it first chance I get.

1. A reference to the 140-charcter size of “tweets”, i.e. an extremely condensed version lacking in details.

16 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:40:25pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Ha. The funny thing is, I actually need those footnotes. It’s more sad than funny, isn’t it? ;-)


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