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1 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Nov 13, 2011 2:42:18pm

I hope Israeli feminists and their allies push back. The religious orthodox must be kept in check.

2 Bob Levin  Sun, Nov 13, 2011 5:36:19pm

re: #1 eclectic infidel

Of course they’ll push back. That’s Israeli culture.

3 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:38:15am

It’s an ongoing problem.

Ridiculous. These fringe-nutbar types—my great-grandparents didn’t live like this, and neither did theirs. This kind of ‘my piety goes to 11’ behavior is what gets you things like the women who started covering their faces and wearing multiple layers of clothing and gloves in the street.

Of course, nearly all haredi rabbis, maybe all of them, cracked down on that, but I don’t think they really took into account the origins of the behavior.

4 Bob Levin  Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:11:21am

re: #3 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think they really took into account the origins of the behavior.

I think the origin of the behavior is the narrowing of the concept of what Judaism is. And the prophets have mentioned this many times, the Gemara mentions this many times, that folks tend to interpret what we are supposed to be doing as simply going through the motions (and there are many motions) in a rote way.

People are putting themselves in an emotional and soulful cell, 4 amos by 4 amos. The reading material is limited, frequently filled with hagiographies, and this is somehow preferred. How do you get Erich Fromm’s Escape from Freedom into standard Jewish curriculum? That and mirrors for everyone.

The idea is that living a Jewish life, practiced properly, is attractive, not something to be enforced. Right now, either legal or social enforcement is the norm.


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