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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:53:43am

It only means one shouldn’t just take such stories on mere word. “Such things are not joked about” isn’t applicable.

2 thecommodore  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:57:29am

No they shouldn’t be. Moreover, I have been appalled at the behavior of police in some of these OWS evictions, particularly Oakland and most recently UC-Davis. Nevertheless, this is a serious charge, and it is destructive to hang something like this around the neck of a police department if they are innocent.

3 thecommodore  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:01:40am

Nor does it justify the troglodytic behavior of The DERPmesiter himself, or his merry band of sociopathic nutjobs.

4 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:33:12am

Police reports are public record, names don’t get redacted, this smells like BS.

5 ibob  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:20:18am

There are many possible reasons for a miscarriage(correct medical term is spontaneous abortion). It is most commonly due to a random chromosome anomaly such as in Turner’s syndrome where there is a missing sex chromosome(45 X 0) or to a gene mutation involving a critical developmental pathway. It can sometimes take the body several months to recognize that the pregnancy is not viable and begin the process of ridding the body of it. Before the days of routine ultra sounds, this was usually around 2-3 months. We now can usually detect it sooner and schedule a D&C instead of waiting until the woman starts bleeding and cramping.
The point is that it is very difficult to tell a patient the exact cause of a miscarriage without doing a chromosome analysis on the products of conception which is expensive and takes time. I only order this on people who have repeated miscarriages. Even if the results show normal chromosomes, there is still the chance it was related a single point mutation or a hormone problem.
Miscarriages are very, very common in humans compared to other animals. The rate is ~25% of recognized pregnancies. These are the ones where the woman has missed a period. If you look at a blood pregnancy before a missed period, the rate is ~60%. If you look at a hormone released by a fertilized egg that tells the ovary to boost hormone production, the miscarriage rate is up to 90% of all fertilized eggs.
It will be very difficult to tell exactly caused the young woman’s miscarriage since there are so many possible reasons for it. I would not begin to say it was the pepper spray, especially without chromosome studies to rule out the most common cause.
As an aside, the theory for the high miscarriage rate in humans is that it allows women to space children out better since human children require so much care and energy to survive.

6 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:29:53am

re: #4 Thanos

Police reports are public record, names don’t get redacted, this smells like BS.

Seattle Times doubts the story.

7 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:32:21am

re: #5 ibob

Thanks for sharing a lot of interesting and useful information.

Miscarriages are very, very common in humans compared to other animals. The rate is ~25% of recognized pregnancies. These are the ones where the woman has missed a period. If you look at a blood pregnancy before a missed period, the rate is ~60%. If you look at a hormone released by a fertilized egg that tells the ovary to boost hormone production, the miscarriage rate is up to 90% of all fertilized eggs.

Do you have one or more links for this information, that would be accessible to non-professionals? I would find that very useful!


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