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Climate scientist posts OpEd: morons converge in Comments

The Web 2.0 version of pitchforks and torches

By BigPapa

Environment • December 2011 • Views: 1,931

Michael Mann responds to James Delingpole’s Climategate 2.0 denialist screed.

8 pages of 206 comments and counting. The amount of motivated idiocy is extremely disheartening. Now with the Sandusky controversy we have constant comparisons of Mann/Penn St/Sandusky, tying it all together in some orgy of conspracy/cover up fantasy.

How did we get to a point where people like Michael Mann are vilified yet James Delingpole is respected or celebrated as a thinking man?

Maybe someday we will look back at this point in our society with shame. Then again, maybe not.

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6 comments

mikec6666 Wed, Dec 7, 2011 8:58:46am

Idiots.

dragonfire1981 Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:01:43am

Wow here are some of the classy comments:

Most educated people understand that scientific knowledge is based on use of the Scientific Method. The Scientific Method dictates considering ALL hypotheses and testing them, trying to prove them FALSE.

Instead, Mann and his co-conspirators have one hypothesis, unsupported by any evidence, that they have tried for 20+ years to prove TRUE.

The Scientific Method also requires sharing data and processing methods. Mann and followers of his "cause" (as he refers to it in the ClimateGate2 emails have broken the FOIA laws, as well as spurned open science.

I have a Ph.D. in Meteorology, with a graduate minor in E.E. My dissertation research was in the propagation of electromagnetic energy through the atmosphere. Prof Mann's "expertise" is in counting tree rings - whose declining width had to be hidden in his hockey stick. It's nonsense.

The man is an anti-scientist.

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Unsupported by ANY EVIDENCE. I think we need to be asking who the real anti-scientist is here.

Mann is like a poisonous snake -- very dangerous when hidden from sight but not so much when pulled out into the light of day. His "science" was long ago discredited and the Climategate releases have exposed how he and his fellow travelers have tried to rig the game against their critics. The "global warming" moment is crumbling and it would be "before our eyes" if not for the cover provided by the media and governments.

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Transparency is required by the Scientific Method. Without transparency, other scientists cannot replicate experiments.

Mr. Mann has refused to allow other scientists to see his data, methodologies, code, and metadata since publishing his [MBH98] paper – thirteen YEARS ago, despite repeated requests.

Mann hides his data for only one reason: if he shared it with other scientists it would be promptly falsified. Mann's scientific misconduct is based on fraud. He is a scientific charlatan; the Elmer Gantry of the global warming scare. Even the UN/IPCC can no longer publish Mann's fraudulent "Hockey Stick" chart, because it has been so thoroughly debunked. Yet, the taxpaying public is still forced to fund federal grants in the $billions every year to "study climate change".

Mann has plenty to answer for, and kudos to prosecutor Ken Cuccinelli for going after him for his reprehensible climate fraud.

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Wow, just wow.

If this was fraud, then how does one explain the droughts and tornadoes in the south, Hurricane Irene, the dust storms out west, the cold in California and the record snowstorms in the east?

Penn State better known as "Cover Up Central"! Birds of a feather Mr. Mann.

Youre[sic] covers have been pulled Mr. Mann and the molestation of your data models to "hide the decline" have been exposed. You and Phil Jones have defrauded the scientific community and your research needs to be retracted.

I believe you and Phil Jones are among the most reprehensible scientists the world has burped up in modern times.

Do yourself and the world a favor and get out of your profession! Perhaps a used car salesman may suit you better...

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Molestation of data? Right AFTER mentioning the whole Penn State thing?

Good grief

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re: #2 dragonfire1981

Wall Street Journal commenters are nothing more than Fox Nation frothers with better spelling skills. It's another Murdoch-owned monstrosity, after all.

Joanne Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:33:58am

I did some work a few months ago with a couple of guys who are Blaze, Fox News reading, Obama hating ideologues, and one of them actually said the earth is cooling and there is proof!, scientific proof! that it is cooling and the ice caps are growing.

I said, Really?, and pulled up some NASA images comparing 10 years ago to now.

Ooops...one talking point destroyed. But did it sway my guy? Nope.

Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:02:52pm

What do climate deniers get out of it? I can understand why the Koch's and the Saudi royals would stand to lose, but, ordinary people?

Does Koch ~~pay~~ force a bunch of interns to spam the news sites with this crap?

KronoGhazi Wed, Dec 7, 2011 8:24:55pm

re: #5 Alouette

What do climate deniers get out of it? I can understand why the Koch's and the Saudi royals would stand to lose, but, ordinary people?

Does Koch ~~pay~~ force a bunch of interns to spam the news sites with this crap?

The answer to the second question is probably. Some ideologues are driven to do this.

As for your first comment, I think at some core level many just want to romanticize a worldview (fighting against commies) or reinforce their worldview at any cost, even with denial and illogical construct.
Not to be too crass, but like Dorothy clicking her heels together saying 'There's no place like home,' they instead crowd Comment sections of newspapers saying things such as 'That scientist is a moron and doesn't know crap about science,' when they themselves have no standing to make that assessment. But to say it and have many read it is comforting.

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