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1 Sionainn  Tue, Dec 13, 2011 1:07:59pm

That is pretty screwed up.

2 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 13, 2011 2:36:50pm

What parents. Shameful.

3 shutdown  Tue, Dec 13, 2011 3:35:43pm

And their children are growing up being instilled with the same welfare values and misogynistic outlook. I have always had a huge problem with this.

4 EiMitch  Tue, Dec 13, 2011 8:52:55pm

Its bad enough that Muslim fundamentalists are making life dangerous in Israel, and the rest of the middle-east. Now Jewish fundamentalists are posing an escalating threat. You just can't win!

Note to ultra-orthodox Jews: can't you see that you're walking, talking, mouth-breathing stereotypes?! You're not helping your country's image at all. Please, please, pleeeze join the real world already, where we have these things called "reason," "moderation," and "tolerance."

In other words, stop being dicks! Especially in a region that suffers from more than it's fair share of dicks.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 13, 2011 10:56:55pm

Fanaticism and self-righteousness.

It's a heady combination.

6 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Dec 13, 2011 11:22:43pm

Whackos™ come in every flavour!

7 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 4:15:45am

re: #4 EiMitch

Its bad enough that Muslim fundamentalists are making life dangerous in Israel, and the rest of the middle-east. Now Jewish fundamentalists are posing an escalating threat. You just can't win!

Note to ultra-orthodox Jews: can't you see that you're walking, talking, mouth-breathing stereotypes?! You're not helping your country's image at all. Please, please, pleeeze join the real world already, where we have these things called "reason," "moderation," and "tolerance."

In other words, stop being dicks! Especially in a region that suffers from more than it's fair share of dicks.

Disclaimer: Alouette is an "ultra-Orthodox" Jew, who has a college education, a job, 9 educated kids who work, a son who is an IDF vet, and I hope that we are the future, not this band of nutbags.

8 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 6:08:04am

Here is a counterpoint to this horrible story:

Meet a Job Creator.

9 Bob Levin  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 8:20:58am

re: #7 Alouette

Let's say you were going to diagnose this problem--as in, how do things get to this point?

The Torah is very careful to establish the importance of belief, not just having belief, but that the gyroscope within a belief has to be finely tuned. Any deviation from being thoroughly centered and grounded can lead to disastrous results. We see this in a number of places. First, our idea of knowledge is not in the form of indisputable facts, rather, it is in the form of disputable facts. Opinions are counterbalanced by an opposing opinion. The act of sorting these out requires rigorous discipline. Deriving meaning is not an easy process. I think the sense of difficulty has been lost through constant repetition in Jewish education. Deriving meaning is now a simple matter of accepting a bottom line of interpretation, as if there really is a bottom line. There are what can be termed postulates or theorems--all contributing to an eternal search for meaning. There is no bottom line.

The narrative of the Torah can be seen as one of slight deviations from centered meaning, beginning with Gan Eden, where Adam changes ever so slightly the interpretation of their only instruction. Data is constantly misunderstood, from Cain, to Abraham and Sarah, to the seemingly simple act of counting to 40 at Mt. Sinai, to the spies misreading of the reality of the Land of Israel--a moment for which we still suffer today.

We presently suffer from the delusion that being FFB is somehow a state of freedom, as if Passover doesn't apply as much to this part of the Jewish world--when in fact, everyone should see the necessity of being a Ba'al Teshuva. Such is the state of the world. We can't see our chains, we can't recognize an overlord, and this is because these two things are no longer visible and tangible. This presents a particularly difficult problem in Jewish education, and failure to recognize this problem distorts our purpose--grotesquely. Jewish education is about being able to recognize what is not tangible or measurable--and then to be able to work with this aspect of life.

I don't believe the Sages would recognize our contemporary view of cause and effect, a thoroughly assimilated view of cause and effect, whether you are a Jew in Alabama, Boston, London, or Mea Shearim.

Somehow, the Jews in this article, the Jews like this living in Israel, are under the delusion that they understand modern culture enough to have somehow beaten back the subtle winds of assimilation. As anyone can plainly see, they have become the winds of assimilation, in a Zen way. Everyone can see it plainly, except for them.


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