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1 122 Year Old Obama  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 10:16:55am

On behalf of my state, I apologize for this monumental stupidity.

2 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 10:46:52am

Which will make abortions only available to the wealthy.

It’s not designed to actually stop everyone from getting abortions. Just those without money.

3 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 6:06:26pm

Ice,
Help me understand, because it appears there is some reason this happened, apart from anti abortion sentiment or politics.

From your link-
HARRISBURG — The state House today approved legislation requiring unannounced inspections of abortion clinics and applying the same regulations to them that regulators use for ambulatory surgical facilities.

The bill, filed in the aftermath of criminal charges against a West Philadelphia clinic, has bounced back and forth from the House and Senate this year as changes were made.

Should abortion surgery facilities be held to a lower standard, and if so why?

4 jaunte  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 6:16:52pm

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

Ice may not be here, but here are a couple of answers. The goal of this kind of legislation tends not to be medical safety, but shutdown.

The Pennsylvania House is currently debating SB 732. This would require all abortion clinics to be regulated as Ambulatory Surgical Facilities. This would eliminate safe, legal abortions in Pennsylvania because of the huge expense required to meet those criteria. For example this means having elevators capable of carrying gurneys, full time RN’s, wide hallways and such. None of these are needed for safe abortion practices. Requiring surgical centers using local anesthesia (abortion clinics) with the same requirements as those using general anesthesia (ASF) is unnecessary. No medical provider supports this bill. Social workers, domestic violence and rape centers oppose it and doctors oppose it.
State House Voting to Ban Abortion

Also:

What is the purpose of a TRAP (Targeted Regulation of Abortion Provider) bill?
Many TRAP bills grant broad authority to the state department of health to develop structural and staffing requirements for abortion clinics. Often, the resulting regulations are based on existing hospital guidelines including specific dimensions for procedure rooms and hallways, doorway widths, and complex ventilation systems. Some regulations mandate what types of medical professionals must be on staff, assign certain duties to various staff members or require patient evaluations that are not medically necessary. These types of regulations are not medically justified.

5 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 6:29:32pm

re: #4 jaunte

What I am trying to sort out is why (if the article is correct) making the standard the same as other surgery facilities is such a bad idea?

What happens if a good law makes things difficult for abortion facilities? How could we suss out the real motivation?

6 jaunte  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 6:40:45pm

re: #5 Rightwingconspirator

If the affected facilities had unlimited funding, having the same standards for all surgical facilities might not be a terrible idea, but the intent seems to be to make the upgrade process too expensive and thereby shut down the clinics that can’t afford to upgrade.

7 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 6:51:13pm

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

Ice,
Help me understand, because it appears there is some reason this happened, apart from anti abortion sentiment or politics.

From your link-
HARRISBURG — The state House today approved legislation requiring unannounced inspections of abortion clinics and applying the same regulations to them that regulators use for ambulatory surgical facilities.

The bill, filed in the aftermath of criminal charges against a West Philadelphia clinic, has bounced back and forth from the House and Senate this year as changes were made.

Should abortion surgery facilities be held to a lower standard, and if so why?

Yes. Abortions are much simpler than most surgeries. The terrible murder-farm that the doctor (Kermit? Something like that) was running wouldn’t have passed any genuine inspection. So this bill would not prevent it from happening.

And, like voter ID laws, the purpose of it is not to increase a good, but to cause an ill.


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