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1 Simply Sarah  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 11:15:43am

Wait, if things went down even remotely close to how they are described, why is there even a question about if this is wrong or not? I know we still have a long way to go on race issues, but are we seriously still at a point where a state civil rights commission isn't 100% immediately sure that a 'White only' sign isn't OK?

2 cinesimon  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 12:19:30pm

Sarah it's obvious to me from what has happened in the political arena these past 3 years, we are much less far along than any of us thought. At least 27% of the U.S. population are pretty much open 'lost causers'.

3 Simply Sarah  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 12:21:27pm

re: #2 cinesimon

Sarah it's obvious to me from what has happened in the political arena these past 3 years, we are much less far along than any of us thought. At least 27% of the U.S. population are pretty much open 'lost causers'.

Perhaps, but I thought people would at least vaguely pretend otherwise. Usually it's considered a bit too far to publicly and explicitly admit to it. I'm used to seeing at least a minor effort to hide it.

4 Sionainn  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 12:37:44pm

re: #3 Simply Sarah

Perhaps, but I thought people would at least vaguely pretend otherwise. Usually it's considered a bit too far to publicly and explicitly admit to it. I'm used to seeing at least a minor effort to hide it.

That's the way it used to be, before Obama was elected president. Since then, it's become more and more common for racists to come out into the open.

5 EiMitch  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 12:39:51pm
Several witnesses confirmed that the sign was posted, and the landlord indicated that she posted it because the girl used in her hair chemicals that would make the pool “cloudy,” according to the commission.

Yeah, as if white people don't put chemicals in their hair, you racist dingbat. You really thought you'd get away with a putting-up a "whites only" sign? Really?!

Speaking of which, the new children's book "The Stupids Rent Out an Apartment Complex" is coming soon to a KKK-mart near you.

6 cinesimon  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 12:41:16pm

Yeah I think before Obama's election it was obvious there was a lot of vague pretending - and the use oof code words and 'dog whistle' stuff.
Now, though, it's just become so overt. And the demarcation seems to me to have been the election of Obama and his first few months of office - that's when I began to notice people had stopped trying to hide it.
They feel more empowered and know their particular communities will not hold them accountable for such un-American, anti-freedom, authoritarian beliefs and behavior. Because most of those they deal with, share the same 'values'. With the advent of Fox and the further rise of hate radio, the fascists that are so loud on the right have empowered the 'vague, pretending-to-be-a-modern-American' lost causers to be much more vocal. But their actual feelings and beliefs haven't changed of course.

7 Simply Sarah  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 12:47:50pm

re: #6 cinesimon

Yeah I think before Obama's election it was obvious there was a lot of vague pretending - and the use oof code words and 'dog whistle' stuff.
Now, though, it's just become so overt. And the demarcation seems to me to have been the election of Obama and his first few months of office - that's when I began to notice people had stopped trying to hide it.
They feel more empowered and know their particular communities will not hold them accountable for such un-American, anti-freedom, authoritarian beliefs and behavior. Because most of those they deal with, share the same 'values'. With the advent of Fox and the further rise of hate radio, the fascists that are so loud on the right have empowered the 'vague, pretending-to-be-a-modern-American' lost causers to be much more vocal. But their actual feelings and beliefs haven't changed of course.

Oh, I'm well aware. Perhaps I'm looking at this the wrong way. This could even be a good thing, relatively speaking, if it forces people to face up the massive amounts of racism still present in our culture, rather than pretending it's not longer there because it's wearing a fig leaf.

Then again, I worry that maybe it's just the start of things getting worse again, with feelings coming more to the surface without generating much introspection. Bah, how many more generations before this all ends?

8 Sionainn  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 12:56:13pm

re: #7 Simply Sarah

Oh, I'm well aware. Perhaps I'm looking at this the wrong way. This could even be a good thing, relatively speaking, if it forces people to face up the massive amounts of racism still present in our culture, rather than pretending it's not longer there because it's wearing a fig leaf.

Then again, I worry that maybe it's just the start of things getting worse again, with feelings coming more to the surface without generating much introspection. Bah, how many more generations before this all ends?

I hope it doesn't take many more generations. I think my daughters' generation is going to be much more inclusive. One of the reasons (on top of the accelerated curriculum) that I got my daughter into a magnet school was so she was surrounded by diversity.

9 cinesimon  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 1:04:06pm

I totally agree that the fact their racism is much more out in the open is a good thing.
Yes it'll cause more hurt, anger and even violence in the short-medium term, but the only way for a wound to heal is for it to be open to the air. And that analogy works with this issue.
Instead of these idiots twisting logic to make the gullible seem they really don't hate all Latinos, just the 'illegal' ones(as an easy example), the more their kids will understand that their parents are living extremely sad lives, and that they're shutting themselves and their families off from great relationships, educational opportunities and life(and community)-enhancing experiences, in favor of ignorance and hate - and the more these kids think about it, they will have the opportunity to do something about it.

So yes - while the wound has begun to fester more aggressively, and a lot of nasty thing will happen because of it over the next few years, it must happen in order for real change to occur in the 'lost cause' communities.

10 Simply Sarah  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 1:17:45pm

re: #8 Sionainn

re: #9 cinesimon

Well, I can only hope you both are correct. Things need to get worked out soon, one way or another. It's just a question of how large a cost we still have to pay.

11 jaunte  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 1:47:25pm
the landlord indicated that she posted it because the girl used in her hair chemicals that would make the pool “cloudy,”

Just grabbing a size at random, consider a 12' x 24' pool, with an average depth of 4.5 feet: volume is 9,700 gallons, or 1,241,600 fluid ounces.
That's some powerfully magic hair chemical.

[Link: www.backyardcitypools.com...]

12 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 4:51:29pm

re: #11 jaunte

Even if she had something in her hair that instantly transformed the entire pool into sulfuric acid on contact, her skin color has nothing to do with it. Hopefully there'll be a nice public shaming of the landlord in question, if nothing else for having such a half-assed, transparent "justification".

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 5:47:38pm

I swear, some days you wake up, and it's 1953 all over again, except the cars aren't as cool, and smoking is bad for you.

"Chemicals". Magic 'hair chemicals'.

I spent a year as a locker-room supervisor for teenage girls, and I can attest that they do like their hair chemicals. None of them are capable of making a pool cloudy.

Of course, if the young lady had chemically straightened hair, which lots of girls do these days, odds are that she would be protecting her hair from the pool, not the pool from her hair.

14 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 8:34:29pm

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

I swear, some days you wake up, and it's 1953 all over again, except the cars aren't as cool, and smoking is bad for you.

"Chemicals". Magic 'hair chemicals'.

I spent a year as a locker-room supervisor for teenage girls, and I can attest that they do like their hair chemicals. None of them are capable of making a pool cloudy.

Of course, if the young lady had chemically straightened hair, which lots of girls do these days, odds are that she would be protecting her hair from the pool, not the pool from her hair.

Exactly. Chemically straightened hair and swimming pools don't go together.

15 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 10:05:59pm

re: #2 cinesimon

Sarah it's obvious to me from what has happened in the political arena these past 3 years, we are much less far along than any of us thought. At least 27% of the U.S. population are pretty much open 'lost causers'.

No, "we" are not.

Black people have been telling America exactly for generations. What's funny is, we'll still be cast as angry and oversensitive, even as others see it even to the point where they are unable to deny it.

16 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 10:08:12pm

re: #9 cinesimon

I totally agree that the fact their racism is much more out in the open is a good thing.

Spoken as one who will never be a target of it, I'm guessing.

Thing is, with us, this sort of thing has NEVER been hidden. Hidden or open, it's all the same with the same result.

17 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 10:11:21pm

re: #14 moderatelyradicalliberal

Exactly. Chemically straightened hair and swimming pools don't go together.

I'm always tickled at white/non-black anxiety over all our "hair chemicals".

This is from people who strip their hair with detergent every single day, then slather some store-bought oil/water emulsion on it to replace what they've stripped, then call themselves "wash-and-go".

Don't get me started on all the chemicals they subject their hair to as they start to age..

18 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 10:40:02pm

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, if the young lady had chemically straightened hair, which lots of girls do these days, odds are that she would be protecting her hair from the pool, not the pool from her hair.

EXACTLY! Everyone I know that chemically treats their hair (of all races --curly perms, straightening perms, color treatment) protects it from chlorine.

Especially the AA girls who have the grade of hair that is fragile, which BTW isn't everyone of color.

I've had more discussions about hair with my friends --LOL! I've learned so much and had fun girl-time doing hair as well!

19 boxhead  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 10:43:57pm

wow.... While I have no doubt that many folks feel this way, what is somewhat surprising is that those folks have the balls to try this shit. Just like the church that had a non mixed race marriage rule. huge balls....

20 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 11:11:05pm

re: #19 boxhead

wow... While I have no doubt that many folks feel this way, what is somewhat surprising is that those folks have the balls to try this shit. Just like the church that had a non mixed race marriage rule. huge balls...

Easy to have courage when you are full of hate and delusions.

21 boxhead  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 11:13:03pm

re: #20 ggt

Easy to have courage when you are full of hate and delusions.

I think the current atmosphere on FOX and Right Wing Radio helps their courage. Otherwise all but the most insane would stay under the rock they call home.

22 cinesimon  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 8:15:11pm

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin - fuck off.
Your pathetic victim wannabe nonsense is just pathetic - instead of actively trying to recruit enemies and behaving like a baby, how about you actually make a bit of effort at trying to make the world a better place.
Fucking hell, what a sad, childish poseur who, going by how you attack people in the most childish, whiny manner, seems to be happy with a world full of hate - then you get to play-act the Most Aggrieved Victim In The Room!

You have no idea my race, my culture, my anything - yet you automatically think you are much more a victim, therefore you speak for the black community(bizarrely), and know all about what 'we' want.
If you can't decipher what I was trying to say, and would rather pick a fight with somebody who is ACTUALLY ON THE SIDE OF THAT WHICH YOU CLAIM TO BE, then clearly you have no interest whatsoever in trying to make the world a better place.

Your behavior is that of a tea-bagger, your arguments that of the stereotype right wingers love to pretend is representative of the 'left'.

23 cinesimon  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 8:16:07pm

"with us," - oh I see kiddo - you actually think that all black people are the same.
Child.

24 cinesimon  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 8:17:26pm

"What's funny is, we'll still be cast as angry and oversensitive,"
Gee, I wonder why. If people behaved the way you do, they'd deserve all the derision they get.


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