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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 10:47:21am

Why is the Dem leadership so evil on this issue?

2 researchok  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 10:49:35am

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

Why is the Dem leadership so evil on this issue?

That’s a good question.

This isn’t going to end well.

3 nines09  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 11:25:45am

Is Harry having one of his idiot moments or is he telling us to follow the money? It will not end well.

4 APox  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 12:17:07pm

I’ve always been a registered Democrat and usually vote along those lines, but if anyone votes for this bill I will NOT vote for them. Bar none. Obama should be out in front against this.

5 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 12:23:14pm

Screw you, Reid. Thank you, Wyden.

6 Ghost of Sionainn  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 12:54:15pm

Maybe someone can help me understand what this bill is about because I just read it and I’m baffled.

7 BishopX  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 1:29:23pm

re: #6 Sionainn

The Protect IP Act Wikipedia page has a good rundown.

The gist of it is that this bill would create a black list of infringing sites which US Domain Name Servers couldn’t resolve, US search engines couldn’t list and US advertisers couldn’t advertise on. This is more or less the creation of the US version of the Great Firewall of China.

Additionally, all of this stuff can be done either by preliminary injunction (meaning that the defendant doesn’t have a right to issue a defense before the injunction goes into effect) or unilaterally by US corporations who are then shielded from liability. So paypal could decide your site was infringing and freeze your account, google could decide you were infringing and de-list you, and as long as they have their paperwork in order you would have no legal means of recovering damages. This raises pretty serious concerns of a priori restriction of freedom of speech. Under US law it’s unconstitutional to prohibit something from being said or published. You can charge charge someone after the fact, but you can’t stop them from going to press. This law would carve out an exception to that.

8 Ghost of Sionainn  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 1:42:18pm

re: #7 BishopX

The Protect IP Act Wikipedia page has a good rundown.

The gist of it is that this bill would create a black list of infringing sites which US Domain Name Servers couldn’t resolve, US search engines couldn’t list and US advertisers couldn’t advertise on. This is more or less the creation of the US version of the Great Firewall of China.

Additionally, all of this stuff can be done either by preliminary injunction (meaning that the defendant doesn’t have a right to issue a defense before the injunction goes into effect) or unilaterally by US corporations who are then shielded from liability. So paypal could decide your site was infringing and freeze your account, google could decide you were infringing and de-list you, and as long as they have their paperwork in order you would have no legal means of recovering damages. This raises pretty serious concerns of a priori restriction of freedom of speech. Under US law it’s unconstitutional to prohibit something from being said or published. You can charge charge someone after the fact, but you can’t stop them from going to press. This law would carve out an exception to that.

Thank you very much for the explanation.

9 Lidane  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 1:53:36pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

Why is the Dem leadership so evil on this issue?

Because they’re morons.

If any bills should be filibustered and voted down, it’s Protect IP and SOPA.

10 Lidane  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 1:56:03pm

Here’s a video that explains it all:

11 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 2:52:35pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

Why is the Dem leadership so evil on this issue?

In short, because Hollywood is the segment of industry that owns the Democrats.

12 jvic  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 4:25:19pm

re: #11 negativ

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

Why is the Dem leadership so evil on this issue?

In short, because Hollywood is the segment of industry that owns the Democrats.

There’s more to it. Hollywood has gotten the support of key Republicans: Hatch and Rubio, for example. Sorry, I don’t have time to look up a link, but my memory is quite distinct on this point.

There are reasons why Republicans are called the Stupid Party.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 4:36:37pm

The simple thing is, there is no reason to tweak rules merely to make life easier for fuckers copyright holders. Yeah, law is law, if the the swine right-owners hunt down some pirates, oh well, too bad. But there is no reason whatsoever to help them with this.

14 palomino  Mon, Dec 19, 2011 9:15:23pm

Reminds me a little of the Communications Decency Act of the late 90’s. I believe it had bipartisan support in Congress and then Clinton signed it. It was meant to protect children from porn and other obscene websites. Even the fairly conservative Supreme Court of the time found it unconstitutional, partly on the grounds that it was an overinclusive violation of free speech and expression.


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