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1 iceweasel  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 10:14:16am

Actually, the lie of the year turns out to be politifact itself:

PolitiFact ought to be ashamed of itself

and

Politifact, R.I.P.

2 Locker  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 10:31:09am

Yes this was the stupidest thing they could do was push a lie of the year that isn’t really a lie. With so many clear cut pants-on-fire lies over the year they have to pick this crap which they need 65 paragraphs to defend and explain. There is a reason for this but we probably be clued in on the deal.

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

3 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 10:37:21am

Amazing how the view of Politifact shifts when the shoe goes onto the other foot. Just amazing. As if we are obligated to ignore the hyperbole from the left, if and when it is seemingly or really overwhelmed by the same or worse on the right.

Well I have no party ties, no need to pretzel twist. A lie is a lie is a lie.

“”They ignored the fact that the Ryan plan would not affect people currently in Medicare — or even the people 55 to 65 who would join the program in the next 10 years.

• They used harsh terms such as “end” and “kill” when the program would still exist, although in a privatized system.

• They used pictures and video of elderly people who clearly were too old to be affected by the Ryan plan. The DCCC video that aired four days after the vote featured an elderly man who had to take a job as a stripper to pay his medical bills.”“

4 Locker  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 10:37:27am

Additionally here is their poll results page:

[Link: www.politifact.com…]

Top Five

The economic stimulus created “zero jobs.” — The National Republican Senatorial Committee and other Republicans 24%

Abortion services are “well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does.”- Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. 17%

“Republicans voted to end Medicare.” — The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and other Democrats 16%

Scientists are “questioning the original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the climate to change. … (It is) more and more being put into question.” — Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry 11%

The vaccine to prevent HPV can cause mental retardation. — Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann 10%

President Obama “went around the world and apologized for America.” — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney 8%

So the of the Top Five lies, 4 are Republican lies and 1 is a non-lie attributed to Democrats that came in third in the voting. WTF politifact?

5 Locker  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 10:40:23am

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

Amazing how the view of Politifact shifts when the shoe goes onto the other foot. Just amazing. As if we are obligated to ignore the hyperbole from the left, if and when it is seemingly or really overwhelmed by the same or worse on the right.

Well I have no party ties, no need to pretzel twist. A lie is a lie is a lie.

“”They ignored the fact that the Ryan plan would not affect people currently in Medicare — or even the people 55 to 65 who would join the program in the next 10 years.

• They used harsh terms such as “end” and “kill” when the program would still exist, although in a privatized system.

• They used pictures and video of elderly people who clearly were too old to be affected by the Ryan plan. The DCCC video that aired four days after the vote featured an elderly man who had to take a job as a stripper to pay his medical bills.”“

So the two things you pick are quibbling about the definition of END and the fact that elderly people in a commercial have to considered TODAY’S old people and not tomorrows old people.

THAT is your and politifact’s basis for a pants on fire lie of the year.

Bullshit.

6 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 10:42:00am

re: #4 Locker
And factcheck agrees. The bull isn’t sitting here. he’s too busy with partisans.
Apologies to Factcheck for a cut and paste in a bit of a rush

Democratic Whopper:
Republicans Would ‘End Medicare’

First the truth: The budget plan that Republicans pushed through the House in 2011 would have radically changed Medicare in the future — for workers now under age 55. Starting in the year 2022, the GOP plan called for new Medicare beneficiaries to purchase private insurance with the help of federal subsidies.

But the plan would have continued the present Medicare system indefinitely for those now getting benefits, and also for all those who reach age 65 during the next decade.

But the truth didn’t stop Democrats from misrepresenting the proposal shamelessly to scare senior citizens and win election votes. They tested this tactic in a May 26 special House election in New York state, running ads accusing the Republican candidate of endorsing a plan that would “essentially end Medicare” and amount to “cutting benefits for seniors,” claims that were far from the truth.

It worked: Democrat Kathy Hochul won in a district that normally leans Republican. So the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee rolled out even more misleading robotic telephone calls in 13 other House districts to soften up the Republican incumbents for 2012. These calls claimed the GOP House members cast a “vote to end Medicare.”

One independent liberal group even posted a widely seen Internet video of a man pushing a white-haired woman in a wheelchair (apparently well over age 55) to the edge of a scenic cliff and dumping her over it. It ends by asking, “Is America Beautiful without Medicare?” That bogus claim is being satirized by our new sister site, “FlackCheck.org,” which found it to be among the “Worst of the Worst” of 2011.

The truth is that not all Democrats think that changing Medicare in the way Republicans proposed is tantamount to murdering grannie. In fact, Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon joined Republican Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin on Dec. 14 to offer a bipartisan plan that is a modified version of the GOP plan Ryan authored earlier. And the New York Times noted Nov. 28 that there is growing support among some Democrats for reining in Medicare costs through a “premium support” system similar to the GOP plan if accompanied by enough safeguards.

But falsely claiming that any such change is an “end” to Medicare has already helped win one election for Democrats. So we suspect this whopper may be making our list again a year from now.

7 Locker  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 10:46:11am

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Yea you bolded the wrong part:

First the truth: The budget plan that Republicans pushed through the House in 2011 would have radically changed Medicare in the future — for workers now under age 55. Starting in the year 2022, the GOP plan called for new Medicare beneficiaries to purchase private insurance with the help of federal subsidies.

But the plan would have continued the present Medicare system indefinitely for those now getting benefits, and also for all those who reach age 65 during the next decade.

Radically changing one program into another and calling it the same name doesn’t change the fact that you still ended the first one.

How the fuck do you use the world “indefinitely” to describe something which only applies to people who are now covered and won’t be around in 20 years. That’s called “grandfathering” and it still doesn’t change the fact that the original program will be GONE and replaced by one with a new name.

The statement being reviewed is that Republicans voted to end Medicare and they did. All the other crap is there to justify their bullshit decision.

8 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 10:49:10am

re: #7 Locker

By the analysis of not just one but two respected fact check organizations the Dems lied on this. They own it. Hate the Ryan plan all you want you can’t really change that fact.

Factcheck sees it, Politifact sees it. I’m sorry you can not.

9 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 11:11:57am

re: #1 iceweasel

If politifact was so far out of line why is Factcheck in agreement, apart from the Lie Of The Year title?

10 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 11:16:36am

Was Politifact wrong on these too??!!

[Link: www.politifact.com…]

11 researchok  Tue, Dec 20, 2011 11:44:03am

Suggestion: Get out the helmet and flack jacket.

12 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 21, 2011 12:33:32pm

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

Was Politifact wrong on these too??!!

[Link: www.politifact.com…]

Strawman.
Face it, politifact got this one wrong.


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