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A camera is not a threat, a stolen animal is an ordinary crime. Somebody please tell the FBI

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Law • 12/30/11 10:57:52 am • Views: 593

It is far past time to roll back the Patriot Act encroachments on civil protections. The FBI is zealously using the provisions for almost anything. Far beyond the scope of terrorism.

By Dean Kuipers

December 29, 2011, 2:12 p.m.

The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force has recommended for many years that animal activists who carry out undercover investigations on farms could be prosecuted as domestic terrorists.

New documents obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request by activist Ryan Shapiro show the FBI advising that activists - including Shapiro - who walked onto a farm, videotaped animals there and “rescued” an animal had violated terrorism statutes.

The documents, which were first published on Will Potter’s website, Green Is the New Red, were issued by the Joint Terrorism Task Force in 2003 in response to an article in an animal rights publication in which Shapiro and two other activists (whose names were redacted from the document), openly claimed responsibility for shooting video and taking animals from a farm.

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researchok Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:17:47am

It seems to be a gray area.

The companies are engaged in legal enterprise. That said, just because something is legal doesn't mean the activities can't be problematic.

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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:30:50am

re: #1 researchok

It seems to be a gray area.

The companies are engaged in legal enterprise. That said, just because something is legal doesn't mean the activities can't be problematic.

I don't see any gray. This is not terror. It is arguably trespassing, theft. A crime. Not an act of terror. The Patriot ct is used 85% of the time for non terror threats and crime. Time to put a stop to that, IMO.

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researchok Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:43:41am

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

I didn't mean to imply it was terror. I should have been more clear on that. I do believe it is crime. There is a lot that can be done prior to to resorting to criminal activity to address a grievance.

I agree with your remarks re Patriot Act excesses.

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vanfield Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:48:40am

I thought this would be about those folks who post all those cutesie kitten videos on Youtube.

Now those are the guys they need to keep an eye on.

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Archangelus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:01:32pm

re: #1 researchok

It seems to be a gray area.

Not when it comes to the provisions of the Patriot Act.
I've witnessed terrorism; I've survived terrorism; This doesn't even come remotely close to qualifying, not by a long shot, and the fact that the provisions of the PA are once again being used for something they were never intended should be outraging everyone back home.

It may be legitimate for the FBI to operate vis-a-vis these folks in conventional law enforcement measures, given the issue of legality. But not like this.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:24:23pm

Uhhh....has anyone bother to check facts before freaking out? I'm guessing no because I debunked this within 2-3 minutes by reading the source material and checking google. It doesn't take much but go ahead and knock yourselves out imagining that America has become an oppressive police state.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 30, 2011 2:35:05pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Uhhh...has anyone bother to check facts before freaking out? I'm guessing no because I debunked this within 2-3 minutes by reading the source material and checking google. It doesn't take much but go ahead and knock yourselves out imagining that America has become an oppressive police state.

America is far from an oppressive police state. It's a scunch closer than it was in 1999. Just a scunch.

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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 30, 2011 2:59:57pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Given the general quality of LA Times reporting and extensive coverage at Wired, I had some faith.

What was untrue?

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