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1 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 13, 2012 4:53:05am

Great post.

It’s frustrating to me to see how much crap the Jews are put through, much of it predicated on lies and falsehoods. It’s a pretty sad commentary on humanity if you ask me.

2 mr.JA  Fri, Jan 13, 2012 5:32:51am

Jezus Christ, they pulled that article completely out of context, I just read the (dutch) text, and there’s absolutely nothing anti-Semitic or anti-nuclear about it! To understand the paper, you must know that being pregnant in The Netherlands is something that is NOT accompanied by blood-tests, many echoes and many hospital visits. One blood-test, two echoes and if possible giving birth at home, that is ‘normal’ here.
Apparently, in Israel (just as in Germany, where I lived a couple of years), this is quite different, and being pregnant is seen as a risky condition for the woman, and treated as such. The writer writes about some political background (that the Israelis want to keep up with the birthrate for logical reasons), but doesn’t get anti-Semitic at all - she only says that in Israel, apparently it is less costly to get a child, but how this is anti-Semitic is completely beyond me.
She is just surprised by the heavy medical attention you get there when you get children, and that they are doing a lot of tests, which bring uncertainty.
From my own talks with a good colleague who was about to become father, I can confirm that this really feels that way, and that many medical tests are very unreliable (like 70% reliability), which is just causing a lot of stress, and often for nothing. As a scientist, I can not do an experiment with an expected reliability of 70%, let alone make important decisions based on this sort of quicksand.

I can absolutely NOT find myself in the conclusions of the missingpeace article, and I strongly doubt if the writer of that article can even read Dutch at a proper level.
For the record, Trouw is a highly respected newspaper with a conservative-Christian ‘bias’ to it, and although critical, is many times on Israel’s side in the conflict. To compare this article to others published on ‘Jew watch’ is completely insane and absolutely ludicrous.

3 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 13, 2012 5:44:54am

Excellent pre-natal care is “racist” somehow? BTW a woman in Israel is not forced to have an ultrasound if she doesn’t want one.

4 Archangelus  Fri, Jan 13, 2012 6:12:54am

re: #3 Alouette
She’s not forced to have anything for that matter, and no one was forcing her to undergo the whole process… even more so if she’s not a full citizen of the state, which seem to be the case…

5 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 13, 2012 9:26:25am

re: #2 mr.JA

I don’t read or speak Dutch, but certainly if it caught the ire of the government, than I have no reason to doubt their interpretations. They don’t go off willy nilly about just anything.

The article title alone “The chosen people to be perfect” is horrendous. The words “the chosen people” in this context is extremely offensive. Why not say “Israelis”? What was the purpose of the article then? Lots of countries have blood tests, pre-natal care, sonograms and give birth in hospitals as the norm. And why no call backs to discuss it and straighten out the “misunderstanding” if indeed that wasn’t the intent?

6 mr.JA  Fri, Jan 13, 2012 9:31:05am

re: #3 Alouette

You’re making-up the ‘racist’ part now, there is no mention whatsoever about any racism in the original article! In this article, they could have replaced Israel with Germany, and nobody would have said a word (and it would still be true).
Criticism (or in this case, pondering) on how things are organized in Israel != anti-Semitism! In Dutch we call being sensitive ‘having long toes’ (so people can step on them easily), and this seems to be a prime example.
Every day there are stories in newspapers from Dutch expats writing about oddities in their new ‘home countries’, and their perspective on that, and this happens to include some vague criticism on Israel, and then it is suddenly classified as ‘anti-Semitic’ by people who don’t even can read the original piece!

7 Bob Levin  Fri, Jan 13, 2012 2:04:14pm

re: #6 mr.JA

What do you think a racist or antisemitic article would look like? What might some phrases be that would indicate deep bias against Israel or Jews? Could the bias be implied?

You’re making-up the ‘racist’ part now, there is no mention whatsoever about any racism in the original article!

Surely you can’t be so literal as to expect a sentence such as—‘This confirms my hatred for all things Israel and Jews.’

Are you saying that the translation of this article is somehow flawed? Or are you saying that the Jews reading this article are too sensitive?

If you think the translation is flawed, then perhaps you can at least rewrite the highlighted areas. If you think Jewish readers are too sensitive, perhaps you can show us the line in the sand where our sensitivity matches your view of reality.

As a scientist, I can not do an experiment with an expected reliability of 70%, let alone make important decisions based on this sort of quicksand.

No, as a scientist you expect your reliability to be much higher. However, only after years of performing the tests do people discover that the reliability isn’t as high as hoped. Do any of the tests run on this woman meet your standard for unreliability? Do you even know which tests were run, so that you can make such a statement? How would you treat a pregnant woman diagnosed with CMV?

It’s rather odd that a scientist such as yourself would be making an argument that has so many holes, and is structured like arguments we hear in the US—made by political hacks. Arguments like…

In this article, they could have replaced Israel with Germany, and nobody would have said a word (and it would still be true).

I’d focus on mistranslations and medically questionable procedures, if I were a scientist. Because if you substituted Israel with Germany, all I derive is that Germans also emphasize prenatal care—I wouldn’t conclude that the Germans are once again trying to build the Ubermensch.

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 14, 2012 10:24:42pm

Yochanan Visser is Dutch, first, so this ‘he can’t read the language’ business doesn’t fly. Secondly, if you can’t pick up on the dogwhistles in this piece…hell, I can’t even be bothered.


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